Using Wiim to aggregate other multiroom products (Denon and Audio Pro)

[highfideletist]

Hi there,

I have a few multiroom speakers around the house - Denon Home 350s in the kitchen (in a wireless stereo pair) and some Audio Pro A48s in the lounge.

I will soon be adding some outdoor speakers which will need an amplifier and the goal is to be able to aggregate all of these speakers into a single zone to play simultaneously.

Is it possible to add a single Wiim mini via aux to the Denons so that they can group to the A48s (I understand the A48s already use Link Play) and play together? If so, that could mean the Wiim Amp Pro would be a sensible choice for the outdoor speakers, to then group / aggregate all 3 zones together, controlled by the Wiim app and bypassing HEOS and the AudioPro app.

Is it possible that although the A48s already use Link Play that they might also need a Wiim Mini connected?

And are there any concerns with sync in a setup such as this?

Appreciate any thoughts or comments.

 

[Hazenhart]

This should work fine.
For comparison my setup that works as you describe, able to group everything into one whole house party session or piecemeal as I wish:

Pro+ directly feeding a 4 channel amp powering 4 in-ceiling speakers on my main floor.

Pro+ directly feeding a 2 channel amp powering bookshelf speakers in my shop.

Pro+ connected with fixed volume to my Denon home theater receiver.

AudioPro A10 MkII in the bedroom.

2x AudioPro A10 MkII as a stereo pair on the back patio.

All of the above can be controlled from the WiiM Home App or the AudioPro app.

 

[Hazenhart]

The home theater connection is the only one that requires the extra step of powering on the receiver, selecting the input for the Pro+, and setting the desired volume on the receiver. Everything else senses and powers on automatically, with volume control via the app.

 

[highfideletist]

Thanks so much for commenting.

Makes me wonder then, that if I went another way for the outdoor Amp ie: Marantz model M1 or Denon Home Amp which could be grouped together within Heos with the 350s (and even others like Denon Home 250 and 150s) that Wiim Mini would treat it as a 'single instance' to connect to?

Like as in, if all Heos devices are already grouped together via Heos, would it only need one Wiim device to connect the whole pool to the A48s? That would be awesome...

 

[Burnside]

This should work fine.
For comparison my setup that works as you describe, able to group everything into one whole house party session or piecemeal as I wish:

Pro+ directly feeding a 4 channel amp powering 4 in-ceiling speakers on my main floor.

Pro+ directly feeding a 2 channel amp powering bookshelf speakers in my shop.

Pro+ connected with fixed volume to my Denon home theater receiver.

AudioPro A10 MkII in the bedroom.

2x AudioPro A10 MkII as a stereo pair on the back patio.

All of the above can be controlled from the WiiM Home App or the AudioPro app.

Can you group the A10s with the Pro+s and play in sync across them? I’m well aware of their common Linkplay base but have wondered how far the commonality went.

 

[Hazenhart]

Can you group the A10s with the Pro+s and play in sync across them? I’m well aware of their common Linkplay base but have wondered how far the commonality went.

Yes.

 

[highfideletist]

Well, FWIW this hasn't worked. Discovered, connected and paired OK but there's a significant lag between the A48s and the Denons...even up to 1.5s and even after auto syncing.

Interestingly having run the auto sync many times, it was never consistent, with a range of 0ms and 173ms.

So I'd have to assume that while the Wiim and the A48s might be in sync, that there's a difference in processing time between Wiim and Denon.

There also seemed to be a significant volume throttle on the Denons once grouped so not sure what that's about.

Played around with both Wiim and Audio Pro apps (Wiim is more comprehensive by far) but neither is getting this off the ground sadly.

 

[Wiimer]

Well, FWIW this hasn't worked. Discovered, connected and paired OK but there's a significant lag between the A48s and the Denons...even up to 1.5s and even after auto syncing.

Interestingly having run the auto sync many times, it was never consistent, with a range of 0ms and 173ms.

So I'd have to assume that while the Wiim and the A48s might be in sync, that there's a difference in processing time between Wiim and Denon.

There also seemed to be a significant volume throttle on the Denons once grouped so not sure what that's about.

Played around with both Wiim and Audio Pro apps (Wiim is more comprehensive by far) but neither is getting this off the ground sadly.

Have you tried manual sync?

 

[highfideletist]

Yep, prettymuch across the board

 

[dtc]

As I read their specs, the Denon 350 speaker is a digital system and the aux input is probably being converted to digital on input. That is what is probably causing the sync problems. Some digital speakers have a fixed delay so that syncing is possible. Your experiments seem to indicate that the Denon does not have a fixed delay, so it may not be possible to sync them with a Wiim system.