WiiM Amp Pro - user evaluation

adias

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A WiiM Amp Pro arrived for evaluation today.

The well done package which includes the unit, remote control, 120V US plug/cord, toslink, line RCA pair, and HDMI cables and a brief User Manual.

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Configuration is the usual WiiM app-driven process - plug the unit to power, open the WiiM open app and add the device. Very straightforward, especially if the app already manages other WiiM devices. During that process the app also did a firmware update.

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Connect the Amp Pro to a pair of speakers and music plays. My evaluation focus is on using the Amp Pro as a streamer/amp connected to a pair of passive speakers used as a self-contained compact audio system. This can be used in a variety of environments, including office, small room, garage, etc. Compact and remotely controlled.

I am evaluating its performance with two 'book-end’ types of speakers - a high end 6 Ohm Magneplanar on one end, and on the other a fairly compact Neumi BS5 (6 Ohm, 2-way, 5” woofer, 1” tweeter) sold at Amazon for the incredibly low price of US$110. The main focus of the evaluation is using the Neumi pair. I connected the Amp Pro to the Magneplanar first and it behaved well, but bear in mind Magneplanars prefer high current high power speakers, so this is not the ideal load for the Amp Pro. The unit matched well with the Neumi BS5 and I am sure it will match well with a variety of speakers such as Klipsch (high efficiency), Elac, PSB, etc.

The Neumi BS5 is an 86dB efficient speaker, but even so the Amp Pro did not have any issue to drive it to a good distortion-free 80dB SPL in a fairly large room.

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I used a variety of wide frequency range tracks, classical mostly, to check imaging, dynamic range and speed. I tend to concentrate on piano tracks, large symphony orchestras and small jazz and close-mic voices. Here are a couple of examples:

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The Shostakovich Piano Concerto No. 2 is good to appreciate the delicate passages of the slow movement against the wide ranging forces of the orchestra. Here is a live in-room acoustic spectral analysis of that piece, where we can see a fairly smooth frequency range with the desirable in-room slope (no EQ, no Room Correction) at a peak 77.6dB SPL:

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The piano image is solid and well separated from the orchestra. The orchestra image field is wide and stable.

The Jennifer Warnes recording is excellent to showcase closed-mic female voice and bass. Bass is quite good in-room for this combo (Amp Pro/Neumi BS5). Another track on the same recording - Lights of Lousianne - is very good to evaluate high frequency extension and detail. The Amp Pro performed very well there too.

I played a bit with EQ and Room Correction. All worked well. I am not a fan of electronic signal intervention and typically prefer natural acoustics - assuming the boundary interactions are taken care of and the speakers are well balanced, which is the case here.

The unit operational temperature is 103F (40C) in my 78F (25C) ambient temperature room:

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I will continue to evaluate this system and will report here, should I note something worth mentioning.

Note: Adding the Amp Pro to the WiiM Home App requires setting streaming accounts’ credentials and re-entering Presets/favorites as currently these items are set per device. I hope WiiM will work on an option to make those settings common to all devices managed by the app.
 

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Hi adias,

Thank you so much for your review. We appreciate your suggestion to offer an option for applying settings across all devices managed by the app. This feature is already on our to-do list, and we aim to release it in early Nov., 24.
 
as will it seem often connected to a television.... what about latency?
;-)
 
as will it seem often connected to a television.... what about latency?
;-)

Have not tried it but it should not be an issue. That capability was already available on WiiM Pro and I used it to connect a TV panel via toslink to it and coax out to an external dac — no issues.
 
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A WiiM Amp Pro arrived for evaluation today.

The well done package which includes the unit, remote control, 120V US plug/cord, toslink, line RCA pair, and HDMI cables and a brief User Manual.

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Configuration is the usual WiiM app-driven process - plug the unit to power, open the WiiM open app and add the device. Very straightforward, especially if the app already manages other WiiM devices. During that process the app also did a firmware update.

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Connect the Amp Pro to a pair of speakers and music plays. My evaluation focus is on using the Amp Pro as a streamer/amp connected to a pair of passive speakers used as a self-contained compact audio system. This can be used in a variety of environments, including office, small room, garage, etc. Compact and remotely controlled.

I am evaluating its performance with two 'book-end’ types of speakers - a high end 6 Ohm Magneplanar on one end, and on the other a fairly compact Neumi BS5 (8 Ohm, 2-way, 5” woofer, 1” tweeter) sold at Amazon for the incredibly low price of US$110. The main focus of the evaluation is using the Neumi pair. I connected the Amp Pro to the Magneplanar first and it behaved well, but bear in mind Magneplanars prefer high current high power speakers, so this is not the ideal load for the Amp Pro. The unit matched well with the Neumi BS5 and I am sure it will match well with a variety of speakers such as Klipsch (high efficiency), Elac, PSB, etc.

The Neumi BS5 is an 86dB efficient speaker, but even so the Amp Pro did not have any issue to drive it to a good distortion-free 80dB SPL in a fairly large room.

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I used a variety of wide frequency range tracks, classical mostly, to check imaging, dynamic range and speed. I tend to concentrate on piano tracks, large symphony orchestras and small jazz and close-mic voices. Here are a couple of examples:

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The Shostakovich Piano Concerto No. 2 is good to appreciate the delicate passages of the slow movement against the wide ranging forces of the orchestra. Here is a live in-room acoustic spectral analysis of that piece, where we can see a fairly smooth frequency range with the desirable in-room slope (no EQ, no Room Correction) at a peak 77.6dB SPL:

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The piano image is solid and well separated from the orchestra. The orchestra image field is wide and stable.

The Jennifer Warnes recording is excellent to showcase closed-mic female voice and bass. Bass is quite good in-room for this combo (Amp Pro/Neumi BS5). Another track on the same recording - Lights of Lousianne - is very good to evaluate high frequency extension and detail. The Amp Pro performed very well there too.

I played a bit with EQ and Room Correction. All worked well. I am not a fan of electronic signal intervention and typically prefer natural acoustics - assuming the boundary interactions are taken care of and the speakers are well balanced, which is the case here.

The unit operational temperature is 103F in my 78F ambient temperature room:

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I will continue to evaluate this system and will report here, should I note something worth mentioning.

Note: Adding the Amp Pro to the WiiM Home App requires setting streaming accounts’ credentials and re-entering Presets/favorites as currently these items are set per device. I hope WiiM will work on an option to make those settings common to all devices managed by the app.

Re: Operating temperature. Is the USB connection on the back a two-way? If so, and a user is not using it for actual data transmission, I think one of those old-school, USB-powered tiny fans would dissipate the ambient heat pretty easily. They're available on Amazon and aliexpress for less than 5 bucks last I looked.
 
Nothing wrong with the operating temperature. No need for a fan. The 103F (40C) operating temp was doing a long period with the amp playing quite loud. Idling temperature is a cool 89F (32C). As a term of comparison, a headphone unit nearby operates at 118F (48C) and works fine.
 
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buy a device of this type, not designed to be hidden, to stick a small external fan on it..where will we go?
the situation we encounter with the latest fosi is quite terrible... and worse seems accepted...:rolleyes:

the precaution of sticking to 60w and efforts on the dissipation side of wiim seems well-timed...
;-)
( even if more complicated, i have just crossed the impedance measurements of your little speakers used..seems to be a good fit for this kind of situation and will not highlight any possible complications with this kind of approach ..even without pffb it could have worked I think... ;-) )
 

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A WiiM Amp Pro arrived for evaluation today.

The well done package which includes the unit, remote control, 120V US plug/cord, toslink, line RCA pair, and HDMI cables and a brief User Manual.

View attachment 12251

Configuration is the usual WiiM app-driven process - plug the unit to power, open the WiiM open app and add the device. Very straightforward, especially if the app already manages other WiiM devices. During that process the app also did a firmware update.

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Connect the Amp Pro to a pair of speakers and music plays. My evaluation focus is on using the Amp Pro as a streamer/amp connected to a pair of passive speakers used as a self-contained compact audio system. This can be used in a variety of environments, including office, small room, garage, etc. Compact and remotely controlled.

I am evaluating its performance with two 'book-end’ types of speakers - a high end 6 Ohm Magneplanar on one end, and on the other a fairly compact Neumi BS5 (6 Ohm, 2-way, 5” woofer, 1” tweeter) sold at Amazon for the incredibly low price of US$110. The main focus of the evaluation is using the Neumi pair. I connected the Amp Pro to the Magneplanar first and it behaved well, but bear in mind Magneplanars prefer high current high power speakers, so this is not the ideal load for the Amp Pro. The unit matched well with the Neumi BS5 and I am sure it will match well with a variety of speakers such as Klipsch (high efficiency), Elac, PSB, etc.

The Neumi BS5 is an 86dB efficient speaker, but even so the Amp Pro did not have any issue to drive it to a good distortion-free 80dB SPL in a fairly large room.

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I used a variety of wide frequency range tracks, classical mostly, to check imaging, dynamic range and speed. I tend to concentrate on piano tracks, large symphony orchestras and small jazz and close-mic voices. Here are a couple of examples:

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The Shostakovich Piano Concerto No. 2 is good to appreciate the delicate passages of the slow movement against the wide ranging forces of the orchestra. Here is a live in-room acoustic spectral analysis of that piece, where we can see a fairly smooth frequency range with the desirable in-room slope (no EQ, no Room Correction) at a peak 77.6dB SPL:

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The piano image is solid and well separated from the orchestra. The orchestra image field is wide and stable.

The Jennifer Warnes recording is excellent to showcase closed-mic female voice and bass. Bass is quite good in-room for this combo (Amp Pro/Neumi BS5). Another track on the same recording - Lights of Lousianne - is very good to evaluate high frequency extension and detail. The Amp Pro performed very well there too.

I played a bit with EQ and Room Correction. All worked well. I am not a fan of electronic signal intervention and typically prefer natural acoustics - assuming the boundary interactions are taken care of and the speakers are well balanced, which is the case here.

The unit operational temperature is 103F in my 78F ambient temperature room:

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I will continue to evaluate this system and will report here, should I note something worth mentioning.

Note: Adding the Amp Pro to the WiiM Home App requires setting streaming accounts’ credentials and re-entering Presets/favorites as currently these items are set per device. I hope WiiM will work on an option to make those settings common to all devices managed by the app.
Nice review :)
 
Tried USB out to an external DAC. Once the connection is established the DAC's output option appears on the WiiM app. It is also capable of powering external DACs for those units which can (or require to) be powered that way. This is a feature, but something I would not use as the benefit of this amp is to offer a compact fully integrated streamer/integrated-amp/passive-speaker audio playback system.
 
When setting a PK midbass filter (just a small notch) I notice the Room Correction was activated - this when prior to creating the PK filter RC was off. Is that correct behavior?

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When setting a PK midbass filter (just a small notch) I notice the Room Correction was activated - this when prior to creating the PK filter RC was off. Is that correct behavior?

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Yes, that is the normal behavior of the current WiiM RC.

*The display on the device screen (your first image) is not a real-time display and may not be noticed.
 
Yes, that is the normal behavior of the current WiiM RC.

*The display on the device screen (your first image) is not a real-time display and may not be noticed.

Thanks for your comment!

Both screenshots were uploaded and they show in your reply as attachments… I do not see the problem you raised.
 
Thanks for your comment!

Both screenshots were uploaded and they show in your reply as attachments… I do not see the problem you raised.
I was not referring to your image.

As you can see, turning on EQ is not immediately reflected in the device settings screen and RC remains off. However, RC is actually turned on.
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This was a supplement not directly related to your question. Sorry.🙂
 
I was not referring to your image.

As you can see, turning on EQ is not immediately reflected in the device settings screen and RC remains off. However, RC is actually turned on.
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This was a supplement not directly related to your question. Sorry.🙂
Interesting, but in this Amp Pro FW, RC is marked on in that screen and in its page, even when I did not turn it on. So… your observation was a good one. 😀
 
Have not tried it but it should not be an issue. That capability was already available on WiiM Pro and I used it to connect a TV panel via toslink to it and coax out to an external dac — no issues.
I have no issues or sync issues with tv optical out to amp pro.
However, for me, hdmi to amp pro just connects, disconnects, connects, disconnects ad nauseam. I'd be lucky to get maybe 30 secs of sound before the next disconnection. Was there a slight lip sync issue? Hard to say, as I may have been looking so hard for an issue in the moments I had both sound and lips moving at the same time.
Same tv, same hdmi cable to ultra worked fine.
 
I have no issues or sync issues with tv optical out to amp pro.
However, for me, hdmi to amp pro just connects, disconnects, connects, disconnects ad nauseam. I'd be lucky to get maybe 30 secs of sound before the next disconnection. Was there a slight lip sync issue? Hard to say, as I may have been looking so hard for an issue in the moments I had both sound and lips moving at the same time.
Same tv, same hdmi cable to ultra worked fine.
Hi Mr. Ee,

Could you please send us a feedback ticket for your WiiM Amp Pro? We want to check this issue immediately. Thank you for your assistance!
 
Hi Mr. Ee,

Could you please send us a feedback ticket for your WiiM Amp Pro? We want to check this issue immediately. Thank you for your assistance!
I raised four tickets in quick succession on 30th Sep around 10pm Sydney time, but didn't make a note of the first number!
Hdmi was the first one I raised, and, to be fair, was the only one that was a 'problem'.
I only have 2 'Ticket Received' emails, and the hdmi one isn't one of those.
I ones I noted down were 513504/5/6, so it's quite likely the hdmi one is between 513500 and 513503.

I'll try it again today and can submit feedback again.
I will also move the ultra back to try that too, just in case it's my problem, not the amp's.
 
Well, what can I say?
I reattatched the hdmi cable to the amp and I've just spent the last 30 mins finishing off a movie with no disconnection issues and no lip sync issues.

The amp auto switched to hdmi input after a couple of secs, and the TV remote controls the volume. But that's not news.
Is it possible I just didn't seat the connection fully? I'm normally very careful to do so, but can't think of another reason!

I disconnected and reconnected once more; still all good.
 
Well, what can I say?
I reattatched the hdmi cable to the amp and I've just spent the last 30 mins finishing off a movie with no disconnection issues and no lip sync issues.

The amp auto switched to hdmi input after a couple of secs, and the TV remote controls the volume. But that's not news.
Is it possible I just didn't seat the connection fully? I'm normally very careful to do so, but can't think of another reason!

I disconnected and reconnected once more; still all good.
Surely the HDMI cable needed to be broken in?
😉😂
 
I had one other quite strange situation with the amp when I first used it.
I'll start at the beginning, for A N Other User Evaluation.

Came home from a couple of hours out and was excited to see a parcel on the front doorstep.
Right size, right weight; could it be??

Opened it up and was actually quite surprised by how diminutive the Amp is in the flesh!
Surely an amp that small couldn't compete with my current amps?
Glad to see it came with an Aussie power cable (the ultra didn't, and I don't have a spare audiophile power cable lying around).
Note that so far I have only used it in one room / setup - replacing my pro / smsl dac / marantz pm6006 amp, into Krix speakers.
Long weekend coming up here though!

I unplugged the speakers from the marantz and was very careful to ensure I got the left /right and pos/neg all correct on the amp pro.
Bare wire connections, so I also double checked and tightened the speaker ends too.
Did that before plugging in the mains cable too ;)

Turned it on, same experience as adias, and as expected: firmware update etc. and a very smooth setup process.

So, time to get listening!
Fired up Tidal Connect, set the volume to a little under half way, chose my 'Demo' playlist of 10 songs and sat back to be...

...totally underwhelmed and quite disappointed. (But keep reading!)
So much so that I seriously though I had wired the speakers up incorrectly to start with.

My notes on each song had a common theme.
Here're some of them, just for fun!

"Relaxed presentation, Quite dull even." (1st song that is quite soft for half of it.)
"Very heavy bass. Vocals don't stand out from the background."
"Bass loud, but percussion is not crisp. Flat presentation."
"Beginning (of song) is dull. Doesn't grab your attention."
"Just a wall of sound. No finesse."
While listening to a song titled 'Lost': "Sums up the amp in one word."
"Vocals are soft, lacking punch. Like the whole presentation."
"Vocals just don't have the grip, grit, roughness I'm expecting."
"Ending (of a song, where it climaxes) is just mushed together."

My final comment was "'Reminds me of listening to the (original) Pro's analog out, but with a lot more bass. Significant lack of emotion and engagement with the music. Very, very underwhelmed."


So, where to from here?

When I applied room correction to my pro in this room it made a suble, yet significant, improvement.
The speakers are not well placed and the bass is accentuated. Nothing like the bass from the Amp Pro was, but RC did tame this nicely.

I ran RC on the amp pro using the defaults, with a cheap Android phone. Samsung A5?

Well, the sound was immediately transformed!
"Much, much better. The overwhelming bass has gone and the vocals are allowed to come through."
"Guitars now shine. Plucking is much clearer."
"Vocals no longer drowned out."
"Vocals greatly improved. The rawness is now evident."
"Perhaps lacking a bit of 'oomph' now, has RC tamed it a bit too much?"
"Cymbals much more evident, stands out from background now."
"Far better stereo separation."

The RC added 4* 2.5db dips at both 41hz and 106hz. For me, that took away some of the 'thump' I've probably got used to.
Since then I have manually adjusted the RC to bring back some of the bass.

As for what caused that initial, woeful, experience?
No idea. Toggling between my RC settings and EQ off now simply sounds like I'd expect - less/more bass, more/less overall cohesion.

So, my conclusion (if a short time listening in one room / setup can be called a conclusion).
I have never had a class D amp before, and wasn't sure what to expect. That, and it's tiny ;)
Colour me surprised, and impressed.


It's so easy to just start streaming. No longer have to turn on my dac and amp first.
Press a preset on the remote and away we go!
And, being called Amp, it's high up the list of Tidal connect devices so I no longer have to scroll down to find my pro.
Maybe I should rename the Ultra to An Ultra?
It's the little things that matter, and this thing is little.

Looking forward to swapping out the Hegel for this ;)
 
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