Has anyone gotten good measurements with a 2.1 setup using the Wiim Ultra?

[Djdragon]

I want to connect an external streamer to my Yamaha R-N800A amplifier (ES9080Q DAC). For system expansion, what's better and more important: a streamer with an integrated DAC or one without? Should I choose an Eversolo T8 or a streamer with a DAC like the Bluesound Node Icon or WIIM ULTRA?

I'm currently using my Yamaha R-N800A with Elac DBR62 speakers and an additional Elac RS 500 subwoofer. My room is 14 square meters.

With the Yamaha unit and its YPAO calibration, I definitely get better sound. To retain the Yamaha unit's YPAO calibration, I would have to connect an external streamer directly via USB or the analog input. This means either a dedicated streamer (if I want to use Yamaha's YPAO), or one with a streamer DAC but a subwoofer connection, like the Wiim Ultra or the Bluesound Node Icon. The Bluesound Node Icon has Dirac room calibration, but it costs an extra €300. I'm wondering if the extra cost is worth it?

Now I'd like to ask you, what about the Wiim Ultra with a calibrated microphone and its room correction? Does it work as well as Yamaha's YPAO? Does it accurately measure the room acoustics, including distances to the listening position and wall reflections?
Has anyone gotten good measurements with a 2.1 setup using the Wiim Ultra?

 

[harkpabst]

I've got no experience with YPAO. But RoomFit with a miniDSP UMIK-1 or UMIK-2 or a Dayton Audios iMM-6C works perfectly fine.

 

[BMeek]

I want to connect an external streamer to my Yamaha R-N800A amplifier (ES9080Q DAC). For system expansion, what's better and more important: a streamer with an integrated DAC or one without? Should I choose an Eversolo T8 or a streamer with a DAC like the Bluesound Node Icon or WIIM ULTRA?

I'm currently using my Yamaha R-N800A with Elac DBR62 speakers and an additional Elac RS 500 subwoofer. My room is 14 square meters.
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Has anyone gotten good measurements with a 2.1 setup using the Wiim Ultra?

I have even gotten 'good' measurements with a 2.1 setup using the WiiM Ultra - and my iPhone. One might also ask "for what purpose do you want the measurements?".

Having not sprung for a decent calibrated usb mic, I was still able to measure effectively for subwoofer-main speaker time alignment and room gain calibration [mostly between 20-500Hz] from my phone with the ultra handling the crossover, etc. I feel my 2.1 HiFi system is now fairly close to optimal [in my listening space and within my budget :-] due primarily to the Ultra's function and flexibility (also thanks to KEF and SVS).

 

[Wiimer]

I want to connect an external streamer to my Yamaha R-N800A amplifier (ES9080Q DAC). For system expansion, what's better and more important: a streamer with an integrated DAC or one without? Should I choose an Eversolo T8 or a streamer with a DAC like the Bluesound Node Icon or WIIM ULTRA?

Personally, I believe the Ultra with a DAC is perfectly fine, but since I haven’t heard the T8, I can’t say for sure.

Now I'd like to ask you, what about the Wiim Ultra with a calibrated microphone and its room correction? Does it work as well as Yamaha's YPAO? Does it accurately measure the room acoustics, including distances to the listening position and wall reflections?
Has anyone gotten good measurements with a 2.1 setup using the Wiim Ultra?

First, YPAO’s performance varies depending on the model grade. I suspect that the YPAO included in the R-N800A is the same 7-band PEQ found in entry-level AV receivers. Based on the manual, it doesn't appear to have a function for manually adjusting the PEQ.

Also as far as I know, with Yamaha's PEQ, since the range of frequencies that can be adjusted in each band is limited, I guess it's difficult to make precise adjustments in the low frequencies.

In this regard, the WiiM is superior.
WiiM features 10 independent left and right filters, with no restrictions on the adjustable frequency range for each band. You can also apply EQ to RoomFit.

However, YPAO has the ability to measure the distance to each speaker in a 2.1 setup and automatically adjust the volume balance and time alignment. This is a feature that RoomFit lacks. With Ultra while it can automatically correct the time alignment between the main speakers and the subwoofer, But you can't adjust the timing of the left and right speakers.
And you need to manually adjust the balance between the left and right speakers.

When connecting the Ultra to the R-N800A, it is possible to use both RoomFit and YPAO simultaneously. This could make for an interesting experiment. Please note that if you connect a subwoofer to the Ultra’s Sub-out, you will not be able to adjust the subwoofer settings using YPAO. Also in that case, you will need to set the R-N800A’s volume to a fixed level and adjust the volume using the Ultra.

To be honest, I can’t say which one is better, and it might depend on your personal preferences. Personally, I really like the YPAO and Surround AI features on my Yamaha AVR (RX-A4A). Anyway, I don’t listen to music on the AVR.

I believe the strengths of the WiiM lie in its rich feature set and extensive expandability. This probably won’t be helpful to you, but I use two WiiMs to build a 2.2-channel system. I’m very satisfied with the sound quality of this system.

Thread '[2 subwoofers] Challenging RC with WHA alone'

Jun 7, 2025

Hi,

I recently readjusted my audio room setup and decided to see how far I could get with room correction using only the WiiM home app.

I've already wrote this in another thread, but here it is again to explain the situation in my room and system.

[Terminology]
WHA : WiiM home app
MRM : Multi-Room Music group
RC : Room Correction
MMM : Moving Mic Measurement (in the RC Settings)


[My room]

This is before the change (April 20)


After the change (June 3)


Initially, I had chosen a 1.5m triangle to move the listening point away from the back wall, but I decided on this...

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[Djdragon]

Yes, that's true, YPAO doesn't have a manual PEQ adjustment function, but it's not necessary. Believe me, it's perfect, I've done it so many times. The Yamaha simply doesn't sound as lively and wide without YPAO. That's why I'll miss it if I can't find a decent solution for external streamers with a DAC.

This means Wiim can't automatically perform room measurements. Why not? Everything is just too complicated. With Yamaha YPAO, it takes one minute and it's done. I don't know if I should buy a DIRAC and a Bluesound instead?!


The problem is, if I really want to connect an external DAC like the Wiim Ultra to my Yamaha, I have to use PUR DIRECT, because otherwise the Yamaha's DAC will take over, and then I don't get any benefit from the external DAC. Yes, I definitely want to buy an external streamer, but I don't know what kind of solution would suit me. I love my Yamaha and its YPAO. But I also need an external streamer with a display.

Otherwise, I once had a Wiim Amp Ultra, and Tidal would stutter occasionally. I only have problems with Tidal, and also with MusicCast on the Yamaha; it freezes. Qobuz and Spotify don't. Interestingly, on the Wiim, Spotify was louder than Tidal (which was more pleasant). Compared to the Yamaha, Tidal is louder than Spotify, and therefore I have the feeling that Spotify is less dynamic than Tidal.

 

[Wiimer]

Yes, that's true, YPAO doesn't have a manual PEQ adjustment function, but it's not necessary. Believe me, it's perfect, I've done it so many times. The Yamaha simply doesn't sound as lively and wide without YPAO. That's why I'll miss it if I can't find a decent solution for external streamers with a DAC.

This means Wiim can't automatically perform room measurements. Why not? Everything is just too complicated. With Yamaha YPAO, it takes one minute and it's done. I don't know if I should buy a DIRAC and a Bluesound instead?!


The problem is, if I really want to connect an external DAC like the Wiim Ultra to my Yamaha, I have to use PUR DIRECT, because otherwise the Yamaha's DAC will take over, and then I don't get any benefit from the external DAC. Yes, I definitely want to buy an external streamer, but I don't know what kind of solution would suit me. I love my Yamaha and its YPAO. But I also need an external streamer with a display.

Otherwise, I once had a Wiim Amp Ultra, and Tidal would stutter occasionally. I only have problems with Tidal, and also with MusicCast on the Yamaha; it freezes. Qobuz and Spotify don't. Interestingly, on the Wiim, Spotify was louder than Tidal (which was more pleasant). Compared to the Yamaha, Tidal is louder than Spotify, and therefore I have the feeling that Spotify is less dynamic than Tidal.

Of course, I believe you.

If Ypao works perfectly for you, then by all means, keep using it. What is your goal in adding a streamer? Is it to expand your streaming platforms? If so, I think you need choose a streamer that offers the features you need and continue using Ypao.