Newbie Ultra user question - bluetooth

Nuthin Fancy

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Hello everyone! So excited to join the community. 61 year old guy that is behind the wave of technology. Decided to try the Ultra; no issues connecting to wifi via Samsung tablet & Samsung phone; installed the wiim app. When listening to a track via Tidal, there is a indicator that say HIGH, when I select, it say audio compression is high via bluetooth. Is there a way around this? Searched everywhere for an answer, but to no avail?

I searched around on the Wiim app and on audio tab EQ, when I opened it showed EQ as bluetooth. Can I change to lose the compression? if so, how? I am using Google puck wifi right next to Wiim; can I run the ethernet from the google wifi to back of Wiim for wired connection to lose the bluetooth? I use a Roku Ultra 4K for my Sony Bravia tv and only use the ethernet from puck to back of Onkyo for firmware updates.


I am running RCA cables to an Onkyo TX-7100 AVR

Thank for your help!
 
You can run Tidal lossless/hi-res 2 ways: (i) using the Tidal app built in in the WiiM Home App or (ii) Tidal Connect using the Tidal native app in your mobile device. You just need to pick the correct transmission mode. Of course in both cases set the chosen res modes too.

If you still have questions, post again. I am not a Tidal user, but others who subscribe to it might be able to post settings images.
 
Welcome.

In the Tidal app on your tablet, when you are in the main screen showing what's playing you should see a small icon in the bottom left that looks a bit like a speaker. Press that and you should get a list of devices to cast to. Your ultra should be there with "Tidal connect" under it.
On your phone the icon will probably be in the top right.

As adias says, you can also use tidal from within the wiim app.
In the Browse screen, within the Music Services section, log into Tidal. Within the Account section set quality to max.
Note that you do not need to do this to be able to use tidal connect from the tidal app.

Either way to use tidal is fine, they just have a different look and feel, and some functional differences.
Have a play, see which you prefer.
Personally, I use the tidal app and tidal connect most, but also have a couple of wiim presets set up for tidal so I can just press the button on the wiim remote to very easily start some music.
Tidal connect also disconnects too quickly for my liking when music is paused!
 
Welcome.

In the Tidal app on your tablet, when you are in the main screen showing what's playing you should see a small icon in the bottom left that looks a bit like a speaker. Press that and you should get a list of devices to cast to. Your ultra should be there with "Tidal connect" under it.
On your phone the icon will probably be in the top right.

As adias says, you can also use tidal from within the wiim app.
In the Browse screen, within the Music Services section, log into Tidal. Within the Account section set quality to max.
Note that you do not need to do this to be able to use tidal connect from the tidal app.

Either way to use tidal is fine, they just have a different look and feel, and some functional differences.
Have a play, see which you prefer.
Personally, I use the tidal app and tidal connect most, but also have a couple of wiim presets set up for tidal so I can just press the button on the wiim remote to very easily start some music.
Tidal connect also disconnects too quickly for my liking when music is paused!
Thanks for your concise instructions. Just found myself getting confused between apps and it will take me some time I guess! I guess I am confused on the "Tidal app & Tidal connect" Is Tidal Connect when using thru the Wiim home app? I think this is part of the confusion? Can you see the Tidal & Spotify app in the Wiim app?
 
Tidal Connect and Spotify Connect is the way the music services transfer the music data to the WiiM. It is propatary protocols for the services. A common protocol is Chromecast, that is supported by many services.

Each service has their own apps and in addition some functionality of Tidal (and others) is integrated into the WiiM Home App. Spotify is not.
 
Is Tidal Connect when using thru the Wiim home app?
No.
Tidal connect is when you use the Tidal app itself, press that speaker icon and choose your ultra with 'Tidal connect' written under it.
i.e. you are using the actual Tidal app to control what plays on your wiim.

Tidal from within the wiim app is effectively the wiim accessing a tidal interface with your logon details to allow you to play tidal without using the tidal app itself.

Spotify is a bit special - if you choose this from within the wiim app it simply opens the Spotify app.
i.e. you can only use the spotify app for spotify, and if you choose your ultra from there it's spotify connect.
 
No.
Tidal connect is when you use the Tidal app itself, press that speaker icon and choose your ultra with 'Tidal connect' written under it.
i.e. you are using the actual Tidal app to control what plays on your wiim.

Tidal from within the wiim app is effectively the wiim accessing a tidal interface with your logon details to allow you to play tidal without using the tidal app itself.

Spotify is a bit special - if you choose this from within the wiim app it simply opens the Spotify app.
i.e. you can only use the spotify app for spotify, and if you choose your ultra from there it's spotify connect.
Tidal Connect is also used when using the WiiM Home App. It's the protocol used to access the music data from the Tidal servers directly to the WiiM device.

Both the WiiM Home App and the Tidal app just work as control apps allowing your to select and control the music.
 
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Tidal Connect is also used when using the WiiM Home App. It's the protocol used to access the music data from the Tidal servers directly to the WiiM device.

Both the WiiM Home App and the Tidal app just work as control apps allowing your to select and control the music.
Are you sure about that? I thought WiiM Home app must be using an API.
 
Tidal Connect is also used from within the WiiM Home App. It's the protocol used to access the music data from the Tidal servers to the WiiM device.
Personally, when I use anything other than tidal itself (such as lms, bubble, wiim) to play tidal I don't consider that to be Connect.
It'd be like saying playing Qobuz from the wiim app is the same as Qobuz Connect.
 
The control apps (Tidal app, WiiM Home App and others) are using the Tidal API. The music data transport between the provider and WiiM device is Tidal Connect.
I am still not convinced.

"The TIDAL SDK is designed and built for internal use at TIDAL, meaning that our own apps are relying on the TIDAL SDK for much of the heavy lifting. We believe that making the same SDK publicly available will be beneficial for all parties, ultimately resulting in better technical solutions and better products.

Since our apps built internally at TIDAL have access to some functionality that we have not yet exposed on the TIDAL Developer Platform, the SDK does contain some functionality that is not currently possible to use for external developers. Our goal is to gradually bridge this gap, eventually exposing much of the same functionality on TIDAL Developer Platform as is currently available for internal developers at TIDAL."
 
I am still not convinced.

"The TIDAL SDK is designed and built for internal use at TIDAL, meaning that our own apps are relying on the TIDAL SDK for much of the heavy lifting. We believe that making the same SDK publicly available will be beneficial for all parties, ultimately resulting in better technical solutions and better products.

Since our apps built internally at TIDAL have access to some functionality that we have not yet exposed on the TIDAL Developer Platform, the SDK does contain some functionality that is not currently possible to use for external developers. Our goal is to gradually bridge this gap, eventually exposing much of the same functionality on TIDAL Developer Platform as is currently available for internal developers at TIDAL."
This is about the API used by the Apps to present information and control the audio data stream.

The audio data goes directly between provider and WiiM device using Tidal Connect or if you select it Chromecast.
 
"it says audio compression is high via bluetooth" and "can I run the ethernet from the google wifi to back of Wiim for wired connection to lose the bluetooth?"
Welcome Nuthin! Youngsters are welcome here! The replies above to your question about Tidal should be useful to you to get the data streamed from Tidal (the digital music) into the WiiM streamer and on to your Onkyo AVR (in this case, the amplifier) without the compression issues that are the result of using BlueTooth as the input to the WiiM. What follows is just my interpretation of the technology involved in what will be an oversimplified explanation of how this all works. It will not always be technically correct, but should help clarify a few things. My apologies in advance if I am relating concepts that you are already familiar with or if my explanations are not technically correct due to oversimplication.

Think of the WiiM as a hub for getting music from a source (Music Service or Digital Audio File) into your Onkyo AVR that will amplify the music to play it on your speakers. As Mr. Ee and Adias point out music sources (Music Services) can be found on the Browse Tab of the WiiM Home Application on your phone or tablet. What can be confusing is that there is always more than one way to accomplish the same thing. You connected to your Tidal account over the internet using your phone and then used your phone to send that digital music your phone recieved to the WiiM over BlueTooth. BlueTooth uses a "Codec" to wirelessly deliver the music your phone received from Tidal to the WiiM. Due to limitations of BlueTooth it must compress the digital signal being delivered wirelessly. On the other hand, when you go to Music Services on the Browse Tab of the WiiM App and choose Tidal, you have told the WiiM device to connect directly over the internet with Tidal. Tidal then delivers the music directly to the WiiM without going through your phone.

Since you use the WiiM Home App on a mobile device to control the operation of the WiiM, it is easy to feel like your phone must deliver the digital music to the WiiM. But while it can be done...you did it by logging into Tidal and sending the music you were receiving from Tidal on your phone to the WiiM using BlueTooth...it is not always the best way. When possible use the WiiM Home App on your mobile device to tell the WiiM what source (Music Service) to connect to and where to send the output (line out to your Onkyo).

Some concepts to keep in mind:
The internet. Your "Google puck" is part of your local network and is a way to connect to the internet. Your router connects all of the devices in your house with each other to form a LAN (Local Area Network) and gives them access to the WAN (Wide Area Network) otherwise known as the Internet. The WiiM is connected to your LAN (and router), and therefore the internet, either through a wired connection or apparently in your case a wireless connection also know as WIFI. WiiM uses the term "Ethernet" to describe its connection to your LAN and the Internet, whether that connection is wireless or wired. You apparently are using your "Google puck" to make that connection to your LAN. Your mobile device must also be connected to your network (the LAN) to control the WiiM using the WiiM Home App. Your WiiM Home App on your mobile device does not use the internet to control the WiiM. It connects to the WiiM over your LAN.

Digital Audio Files and Analog input/output:
The WiiM device is able to send (Stream) Digital Audio from your source to your amp (in your case the Onkyo AVR). The signal that the WiiM is sending to your amplifier is an Analog signal if using the Line Out. (See Audio Output below.)The WiiM has a Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) to produce a high fidelity analog signal to send to the amp when using Line Out. Digital audio files come in many formats...FLAC, MP3, WAV, etc. Some of these formats are Lossy (not all of the original audio information is lost); some are Lossless and contain all of the original recorded audio information. Tidal mostly streams FLAC files that are compressed, but Lossless, giving good fidelity to the output.

Source Inputs. We have already discussed some of the Music Services available like Tidal on the Browse Tab. If you scroll on down the Browse Tab you will see Source Input.
Ethernet: If you use one of the Music Services and Stream the music from say Tidal, the WiiM will connect to the Internet over the "Ethernet," log into your Tidal account, and the input of the Tidal digital audio into the WiiM will be over the internet.​
BlueTooth: If you pair a device like your phone, tablet, computer, TV, etc., with your WiiM you can have it's audio output sent to the WiiM and then output to your amplifier or other audio device. (This is how you first connected Tidal to the Wiim...by BlueTooth.) Again BlueTooth may not be the best way to input audio in to the WiiM, but can be useful in certain circumstances.​
TV: If you have a TV or other device with an HDMI ARC output (not eARC), you can connect it to the WiiM HDMI input. If the device has CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) you can control the volume with the device's remote control. In your case you have a 7.1 channel AVR so you would not connect the TV to the WiiM if you want to use the AVR as a home theater with surround sound.​
Line In: To connect an audio device with RCA connectors with an analog signal input. Say you have a turntable with a built-in phono preamp or a CD player that only has analog out RCA connectors. (Do not use to connect a turntable with no preamp. Use Phone In.)​
Optical In: Digital input using TOSLINK cable.​
Phone In: To connect a turntable that does not have a pre-amp.​
Outputs: To control the Output of the WiiM you use the Devices tab on the WiiM Home App. Choose Devices, then the cog icon that represents the Device's settings, then Audio Output.
Line Out: Line Out provides an analog signal that has been through the WiiM's DAC that can be connected to your system's amplifier. In your case the AVR.​
Optical Out: A digital signal that bypasses the WiiM's DAC and can be sent to another audio device that has a digital input like an external DAC or amplifier.​
COAX Out: A digital signal that bypasses the WiiM's DAC and can be sent to another audio device that has a digital input like an external DAC or amplifier.​
Headphone Out:​
Bluetooth Out: Pair BlueTooth to send output to a BlueTooth enabled device like powered speakers.​

Hope this info is useful.
 
Wow! Thank you so much for this; it really helps me! I am positive I will refer to this often as I familiarize myself in the coming days with the Wiim Ultra. Happy New Year!
 
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