Pregain for PEQ presets

[onlyoneme]

As in the title - an ability to define individual pregain level for each PEQ preset, to be applied before PEQ processing.

 

[canard]

this is a prerequisite with the correction modes...
if not done automatically..at least allow it manually

 

[onlyoneme]

The value can be suggested by the app based on the calculations, but a possibility to set it manually should be left.

 

[canard]

if an pregain, manually retouchable would also allow it to be achieved ... it would be good if for each peq preset there was also a balance preset available if necessary ..... seeing a reflection on this subject upstream of the rc mode would perhaps be welcome...

 

[Smartplug]

As in the title - an ability to define individual pregain level for each PEQ preset, to be applied before PEQ processing.

I hope wiim include this in both auto or manual. I don’t see it in roadmap. I hope wiim would comment on this very important feature.

 

[Smartplug]

@WiiM Support @WiiM Support @RyanWithWiim can you please tell us if this on roadmap or currently on works? Thanks!

 

[canard]

I realized that a classic simple or variable loudness, with simple-direct access, which could be of obvious comfort in many uses, that I pointed out.....would find myself again confronted with the absence of pregain... its absence for years now is becoming ridiculous...unless "you" really don't understand its technical meaning... in geq , and more peq, rc "wiim".....
..

 

[Wiimer]

I am not sure.

Is this feature necessary for all users who use PEQ? Or for users who use a different PEQ for each input?

My Ultra uses only one common PEQ on all inputs. The maximum gain is +4.9 dB, but I have the fixed volume limit set to 75%.

Do I still need to pre-gain in this case?

 

[Smartplug]

I am not sure.

Is this feature necessary for all users who use PEQ? Or for users who use a different PEQ for each input?

My Ultra uses only one common PEQ on all inputs. The maximum gain is +4.9 dB, but I have the fixed volume set to 75%.

Do I still need to pre-gain in this case?

Reducing max volume compromise sound quality. I don’t like what I hear when I reduce it.

 

[Wiimer]

Reducing max volume compromise sound quality. I don’t like what I hear when I reduce it.

I cannot hear the difference...

However, I understand that this is a necessary feature for those who feel it is needed. I just wanted to get a more detailed overview of this feature.

 

[Smartplug]

I cannot hear the difference...

However, I understand that this is a necessary feature for those who feel it is needed. I just wanted to get a more detailed overview of this feature.

When all those 10 band peq are boosted it would create a distortion or clipping. Even just a single band on specific would also create distortion or clipping if it’s boosted by large number. The point of pregain if I understand what onlyoneme saying if you boost 1khz by 6db there should be an offset -6db to avoid creating distortion or clipping which was called peq pregain.

 

[Wiimer]

When all those 10 band peq are boosted it would create a distortion or clipping. Even just a single band on specific would also create distortion or clipping if it’s boosted by large number.

Thank you.
Yes, I know that much. And in my case, volume limit is enough. As with volume limit, using pre-gain will reduce the sound quality, right?

Do users who need pre-gain use multiple PEQs?

The point of pregain if I understand what onlyoneme saying if you boost 1khz by 6db there should be an offset -6db to avoid creating distortion or clipping which was called peq pregain.

If the boost is +6dB, I would need an offset of -10dB. (6 / 0.6 = 10)

 

[Smartplug]

Thank you.
Yes, I know that much. And in my case, fixed volume is enough. As with fixed volume, using pre-gain will reduce the sound quality, right?

Do users who need pre-gain use multiple PEQs?



If the boost is +6dB, I would need an offset of -10dB. (6 / 0.6 = 10)

Maybe @onlyoneme can give us more detail on how peq pregain would be implemented.

 

[Smartplug]

I am not sure.

Is this feature necessary for all users who use PEQ? Or for users who use a different PEQ for each input?

My Ultra uses only one common PEQ on all inputs. The maximum gain is +4.9 dB, but I have the fixed volume set to 75%.

Do I still need to pre-gain in this case?

I ask wiim on this pregain peq. I did not get an answer like you said if they are not saying anything there’s no hope.

 

[slartibartfast]

Maybe @onlyoneme can give us more detail on how peq pregain would be implemented.

It is still digital volume control. It would have exactly the same effect on sound quality as the volume limit. Anyway with the amp there is no choice but to use digital volume for all volume control.

 

[onlyoneme]

I am not sure.

Is this feature necessary for all users who use PEQ? Or for users who use a different PEQ for each input?

My Ultra uses only one common PEQ on all inputs. The maximum gain is +4.9 dB, but I have the fixed volume limit set to 75%.

Do I still need to pre-gain in this case?

You don't need it.
But I use different cans with their own PEQ presets and I have to set the proper volume limit manually every time I change the preset.

 

[canard]

it is a calculation that is much more delicate than it seems due to the use in particular of the ls hs filters and the impact of the q factors..and this even if these are...negative gain...
function automatically integrated into the other correction software...for good reason...

 

[Wiimer]

You don't need it.
But I use different cans with their own PEQ presets and I have to set the proper volume limit manually every time I change the preset.

Now I understand perfectly. (I hope so.)

This is an essential feature for you, and one that I don't need at the moment, but may need in the future. So I vote.

Thank you.

 

[canard]

I don't understand... the function is necessary for all peq users... can just be bypassed, if done in front of the dac, by using another software to determine the values to remember and then using them... etc. etc
these are just workaround approaches
(there is also a balancing of the balance which could reflect this in advance of the rc "stereo" measurement mode...)

 

[slartibartfast]

Now I understand perfectly. (I hope so.)

This is an essential feature for you, and one that I don't need at the moment, but may need in the future. So I vote.

Thank you.

If you have a few different EQ settings saved, for instance stereo RC and independent channel RC it would be useful to have a Pre-gain linked to each one.