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[taube Taube]

Which streaming service is that?

Qobuz.

 

[slartibartfast]

Qobuz.

One example showing reduction of dynamic range for the 2007 remasters. Don't music lovers prefer higher dynamic range?

 

[Malc]

Incorrect. We're not renting, but buying a subscription to a huge music library. Why buy music? Those days are gone.

So why is vinyl production and sales on the increase? I have a large record and CD collection that I still like to listen to. Most were bought long before streaming or even mp3 players were a thing. The CDs are now on NAS so work great with my simple amp, cd player and speaker set up. If i had more disposable income I would probably subscribe to a streaming service too. I just see these CDs as a way to add more music to my library in an inexpensive way. Sure, I won’t discover any new artists but if I catch anything good on radio or tv I will download it too.

 

[taube Taube]

Don't music lovers prefer higher dynamic range?

They probably do. But not so much that they'd bother chasing CDs. Having an entire music library instantly accessible is preferable. What do these numbers even mean? Is music from DR9 unlistenable? Do you not understand the lyrics or the musical ideas?

So why is vinyl production and sales on the increase?

Advertising and the vinyl trending. The music industry's last chance to make a buck. The target group is affluent retirees and aesthetes.

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Let me give you an analogy. One day, I suddenly decide I'm interested in stamps. What should I do? Start buying up originals and buy 20 of them? Or buy some stamp encyclopedia with excellent reproductions and study 1,000 of them? I want to understand stamps, not become a philatelist. Or buy a membership to a stamp museum?

 

[Roedelheim]

...Advertising and the vinyl trending. The music industry's last chance to make a buck. The target group is affluent retirees and aesthetes....

Berlin, yes? The natural habitat of clever-clogs.

 

[slartibartfast]

They probably do. But not so much that they'd bother chasing CDs. Having an entire music library instantly accessible is preferable. What do these numbers even mean? Is music from DR9 unlistenable?

Take a look at the Steve Hoffman forum

 

[taube Taube]

clever-clogs

Are you referring to the clever-clogs ones responsible for the vinyl boom?

 

[taube Taube]

Steve Hoffman forum

Oh no, this forum is quite enough.

 

[d6jg]

If you don't appreciate what Dynamic Range is then you aren't going to care which mastering or re-mastering that you are listening to. Personally I can recognise the reduced range on some modern re-releases and will purchase older masterings accordingly. You probably do need a decent HiFi and/or high quality headphones to recognise the difference mind.

 

[taube Taube]

If you don't appreciate what Dynamic Range is then you aren't going to care which mastering or re-mastering that you are listening to. Personally I can recognise the reduced range on some modern re-releases and will purchase older masterings accordingly. You probably do need a decent HiFi and/or high quality headphones to recognise the difference mind.

Come on, what's there to understand? It's not rocket science. In most cases, you can simply ignore it, except for the most egregious cases, which is what most people do. However, you can continue to consider yourself a bearer of secret knowledge.

 

[d6jg]

Come on, what's there to understand? It's not rocket science. In most cases, you can simply ignore it, except for the most egregious cases, which is what most people do. However, you can continue to consider yourself a bearer of secret knowledge.

It isn't secret knowledge at all and the most extreme examples are very easy to discern with decent (I don't mean hugely expensive) audio equipment.

 

[slartibartfast]

Come on, what's there to understand? It's not rocket science. In most cases, you can simply ignore it, except for the most egregious cases, which is what most people do. However, you can continue to consider yourself a bearer of secret knowledge.

I hope you don't obsess over cables etc but ignore dynamic range of the actual music

 

[taube Taube]

It isn't secret knowledge at all and the most extreme examples are very easy to discern with decent (I don't mean hugely expensive) audio equipment.

Of course, I can recognize some particularly over-compressed examples from the loudness wars. But overall, it's quite acceptable, meaning I don't see any need to search for and buy a CD with less DR. I don't find it that important. Listening to music right now is more important.

My equipment is presented in the relevant thread.

 

[taube Taube]

I hope you don't obsess over cables etc but ignore dynamic range of the actual music

Wait, wait. Where are you going? This isn't what we're talking about. And it wasn't even about that to begin with. I don't ignore it, I accept it as it is.

 

[slartibartfast]

Wait, wait. Where are you going? This isn't what we're talking about. And it wasn't even about that to begin with. I don't ignore it, I accept it as it is.

It was tongue in cheek, but the point is that different masterings have much more effect on the sound than cables etc
Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard sounded poor when it was first released in 2009 with DR7, then they re-released it in 2021 with DR11 and it became a much better experience to listen to at any volume.

 

[Roedelheim]

I really do not understand the problem. (I think) the majority is happy with what they get from the streaming services, others who want a specific version have to spend some extra money. So what? (There was only one part in Deaf Dove's post I did not like.)

 

[taube Taube]

It was tongue in cheek, but the point is that different masterings have much more effect on the sound than cables etc
Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard sounded poor when it was first released in 2009 with DR7, then they re-released it in 2021 with DR11 and it became a much better experience to listen to at any volume.
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Oh. Yes, I know and understand. Why are you telling me all this?

Initially, colleague expressed regret that most people prefer to "rent" music rather than buy it. I explained why. You took a phrase out of context and are telling me why SOME people buy it. Do you understand the difference? Why MOST people get a subscription and why SOME people buy a CD. These are different topics of conversation. If you need a reason to buy a CD, then dynamic range is a valid reason. There are a few others. Simply collecting. People like to hold it in their hands. But that's not what we were talking about.

That's all.

 

[taube Taube]

There was only one part in Deaf Dove's post I did not like

Which one? I apologize in advance if I unintentionally offended anyone.

 

[Roedelheim]

Which one? I apologize in advance if I unintentionally offended anyone.

This "The target group is affluent retirees and aesthetes.." had a Gschmäckle, at least in my reading. I do not belong to the first group but hope I belong to the second. So I apologize now if I unintentionally offended you.

 

[slartibartfast]

Oh. Yes, I know and understand. Why are you telling me all this?

Initially, colleague expressed regret that most people prefer to "rent" music rather than buy it. I explained why. You took a phrase out of context and are telling me why SOME people buy it. Do you understand the difference? Why MOST people get a subscription and why SOME people buy a CD. These are different topics of conversation. If you need a reason to buy a CD, then dynamic range is a valid reason. There are a few others. Simply collecting. People like to hold it in their hands. But that's not what we were talking about.

That's all.

Of course MOST people couldn't care less about the dynamic range as long it sounds OK on their ear buds or soundbar.