better audio quality

Years before to expand and give Ethernet to two devices I was using a tp link sg105 v6 . I was wondering what is the fuss and I have connected it after my router and from that the Supra cat 8 to ifi lan silencer and WiiM pro plus . Indeed it seems that the sound is much clearer when this device is in between compared to straight connection .
Forgive me, this is only my beliefs. If you had so huge differences, it means it were problems of grounding loop and/or electric noise harmonics running on your cable. If all was instead already good, it's matter of endorphins and anything raises theirs production, takes to a good sounding feeling, so anything does that, it's welcome... 😎
 
Forgive me, this is only my beliefs. If you had so huge differences, it means it were problems of grounding loop and/or electric noise harmonics running on your cable. If all was instead already good, it's matter of endorphins and anything raises theirs production, takes to a good sounding feeling, so anything does that, it's welcome... 😎
No huge differences…Slight but audible

Edit -> slight relatively to changing speakers . But it is noticeable and I definitately prefer this combination .

It is not that packets are not 100% received in both cases . It could be due to reclocking, better QoS and less common mode noise .

Ethernet ports still allow some amount of noise to pass through even though they are galvanically isolated @merifon
 
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Data packets are just transmission of 1s and 0s. I think 24/192 averages under 10Mbps although in reality I see alot less based on the WHA. Therefore if your internet connection is slow you would experience buffering and pauses. If your wireless capabilities exceed whatever sampling bandwidth you settled on, the SQ should be fine.
 
Data packets are just transmission of 1s and 0s. I think 24/192 averages under 10Mbps although in reality I see alot less based on the WHA. Therefore if your internet connection is slow you would experience buffering and pauses. If your wireless capabilities exceed whatever sampling bandwidth you settled on, the SQ should be fine.
How do you define fine? It could be finer…It depends what characteristics you examine or care about …Btw my internet connection covers 4k in stable way so bandwidth is under no way a problem for steaming up to 24/192

The best upgrade would be of course to complement my Elac carina bs243.4 with a sub or two . Much more expensive though …and little kids are around so dangerous !
 
The latest Darko video makes a good point in my opinion - if you have that sort of money to spend on Ethernet switches, then it will be after you’ve made other improvements well up the chain, and that you’d be better off using the cash it for room correction instead.
I have to give John Darko a thumbs up here. That's pretty hard for me.

Admittedly, he can be very entertaining and I did enjoy some of his music recommendations in the past.
 
I'm not convinced that cables make as much of a difference as people state. Whatever cables you use at home, they used miles of tin in the wiring looms at the studio when recording the master, so any quality loss that comes from the cables, has already occurred during the recording.

It's highly unlikely that wiring in your speaker cabinet, or your amp uses anything other than tin or copper either, as the prices would be much higher than they already are.

Room correction / good PEQ and the best DAC you can get your hands on will always make a bigger difference than cables.
 
I’ve found that ifi power supply to both modem and switch alongside an Ifi lan silencer into the wiim gave worthwhile improvement. a better quality phone lead to the modem and removal of the plug in phone/ internet splitter also brought about improvement (But this would depend on not using land line phone) As did grounding the netgear switch. also used flat cat8 cable but this was for ease of routing.

im no electrical or network whizz so can’t explain why this helped in my system but my ears tell me it did. Hth
I can actually second this. I had a WiiM Pro Plus using an iFi gen 2 power supply and after a few weeks swapped the power supply for a the official Raspberry Pi 5v 3a power supply and the change in sound quality was immediately noticeable, The iFi power supply is superior in every way and trust me, it’s clearly heard. With things like cables this also true. I use Chord C Stream Ethernet cable for the WiiM and again over something like Ugreen shielded or stuff around that price bracket while still decent cable is not as good as the far more expensive Chord cable. The Chord delivers a darker background and far better low end frequencies which again was immediately noticeable. Chord clearway X is even better but then it’s getting more expensive than the streamer itself. IFi do a lan purifier which is known to get good results in regards to cleaning up the traffic travelling from the router to the source object. These upgrades do have great results and it’s not snake oil at all. I have the Audioquest FMJ Jitterbug which is the most hated product on Audio Science Review and advised against but I will say this; I would be happy to invite anyone from that forum to my humble abode and do a blind test and I guarantee that if they are honest they will walk out of that test either shamefaced or possibly with their wallets open. I run a usb cable plugged into the FMJ Jitterbug from my PC to my SMSL AO-300 with superb results. The bass is more punchy, voices have more space, notes are more crisp and everything is just cleaner and has more clarity, well worth the money I paid for it. So in conclusion, yes you can allow the audio signal a more generous and fluid journey through using better power supplies, better cables and purifiers which in turn will allow the WiiM to then deliver that improved performance directly to your amp with an more immersive and engaging sound, and it does. In my house this has been undeniably proven with the aforementioned equipment. I will also say it is not cheap to gain the edge in performance when choosing to upgrade cables and it is usually better to minimise cable length as much as possible which in turn also reduces cost. I would say in the over all percentages in gain where the sound quality is concerned you would be looking at about a 15 to 20% improvement. It is a notable difference regardless and the quality and longevity of the cables is another gain to the buyer which in the long run may actually save you money. Thanks for your question.
 
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I believe you misunderstood my question.

Please re-read:

"My question is if I can improve the sound BEFORE I hook up up my Wiim Pro plus."

I talking about network ethernet hookups here.....Hard ethernet connection vs. Wireless?

A better quality ethernet switch?

A better quality Modem?

Do these things improve the signal chain BEFORE REACHING THE WIIM PRO PLUS INPUT?

Sounds like you are buying into the audiophilia addiction that "everything matters" and addressing the issue requires expensive audiophile equipment and cables beyond the stereo itself. There are plenty of audio forums out there that will feed you as much of that as you want to hear. I don't think the WiiM forum is one of those sites, however. ;)
 
Sounds like you are buying into the audiophilia addiction that "everything matters" and addressing the issue requires expensive audiophile equipment and cables beyond the stereo itself. There are plenty of audio forums out there that will feed you as much of that as you want to hear. I don't think the WiiM forum is one of those sites, however. ;)
well, i don't think we lean heavily in one direction or another... speaking for the community here, so forgive me if you disagree. but in general around here we like to keep an open mind + recognise that we will have differing opinions on some aspects of the hobby 🧘‍♂️
 
I can actually second this. I had a WiiM Pro Plus using an iFi gen 2 power supply and after a few weeks swapped the power supply for a the official Raspberry Pi 5v 3a power supply and the change in sound quality was immediately noticeable, The iFi power supply is superior in every way and trust me, it’s clearly heard. With things like cables this also true. I use Chord C Stream Ethernet cable for the WiiM and again over something like Ugreen shielded or stuff around that price bracket while still decent cable is not as good as the far more expensive Chord cable. The Chord delivers a darker background and far better low end frequencies which again was immediately noticeable. Chord clearway X is even better but then it’s getting more expensive than the streamer itself. IFi do a lan purifier which is known to get good results in regards to cleaning up the traffic travelling from the router to the source object. These upgrades do have great results and it’s not snake oil at all. I have the Audioquest FMJ Jitterbug which is the most hated product on Audio Science Review and advised against but I will say this; I would be happy to invite anyone from that forum to my humble abode and do a blind test and I guarantee that if they are honest they will walk out of that test either shamefaced or possibly with their wallets open. I run a usb cable plugged into the FMJ Jitterbug from my PC to my SMSL AO-300 with superb results. The bass is more punchy, voices have more space, notes are more crisp and everything is just cleaner and has more clarity, well worth the money I paid for it. So in conclusion, yes you can allow the audio signal a more generous and fluid journey through using better power supplies, better cables and purifiers which in turn will allow the WiiM to then deliver that improved performance directly to your amp with an more immersive and engaging sound, and it does. In my house this has been undeniably proven with the aforementioned equipment.
that's very interesting what you share thanks. i've had similar experiences with upgrading my power supplies and cables.

recently i've been delving deeper into vibration/resonance control - and it's pretty interesting stuff. forgot that i had some material for my snake oil thread. will add to it soon! 🐍

i know some of the lads on here will make fun of me but it's cool. as long as they have smiles on their faces, i'm good!
 
I use a Furman power conditioner and connect WiiM, external DAC, powered subwoofers and powered speakers to the power conditioner (sharing common ground). Ideally, I'd like to have a dedicated circuit from main breaker panel. I used to do that for my custom home but not now. Major benefit is to isolate audio equipment from other noise generating appliances. For pro-audio installation, I always start from a dedicated power line.
 
I'm not convinced changing the power supply on the Wiim will make any noticeable (dollars worth) improvement. Before purchasing anything, I'd like to hear what Wiim themselves say about the matter.
 
A lot of snake oil stuff in here.
The only thing that matters in sound is your Speakers, Source, Amp. Even a 320 MP3 sounds good in a good set of Speakers and AMP, regardless of the DAC. Apple's USB-C to 3.5mm DAC sounds great for example and it only costs less than $20. In Hong Kong, it costs even less, around $8.
 
I haven't really heard a massive improvement from anything other than going to OFC cables from non OFC cables, so I don't buy into the myth that all of this stuff matters. However I can understand that strictly in the analog domain (For things like speaker cables) There can be a quality bump for using good quality copper.
 
I haven't really heard a massive improvement from anything other than going to OFC cables from non OFC cables, so I don't buy into the myth that all of this stuff matters. However I can understand that strictly in the analog domain (For things like speaker cables) There can be a quality bump for using good quality copper.
OCC silver plated is even better.
 
Years before to expand and give Ethernet to two devices I was using a tp link sg105 v6 . I was wondering what is the fuss and I have connected it after my router and from that the Supra cat 8 to ifi lan silencer and WiiM pro plus . Indeed it seems that the sound is much clearer when this device is in between compared to straight connection .
Digital is either perfect or you get dropouts, interruptions. There can be no difference in clarity or fidelity introduced by differences in digital wires or cables.

If I have a choice of optical, coax or HDMI, I would prefer optical, because it’s physically easier to deal with.

As for insane bit rates, anything above 16/48 is wasted. Higher rates are justified for recording and mastering to avoid clipping.
 
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