Gapless mode (setNextURI) issues for UPnP interface

Close, but no banana!

And with that I celebrate the big 5 - 0 - 0
Just you and Brantome way (way) ahead of me...
It's not a competition ;) , but now that you mention it, I'm not far off a landmark myself...
 
@WiiM Support

Gapless mode seems to behave unpredictable for both WiiMs especially when audio streams are controlled by UPnP bridge plugin in LMS.
Author of the plugin suspects that

"The issue is that the UPnP stack of the WIIM (I don't have one) seems to be a very precarious. For example, per discussion with @d6dg it refuses (sometimes) to process a "next URI" command 20 seconds before the current track ends. I guess something like that they have some internal buffers or process (decode) that when emptied or terminated, sets the machine in a state where it cannot process "next URI"."

Can you please look at this issue to find out if it could be somehow fixed?
Hi Onlyoneme, Team

We just fixed "setNextURI" and metadata refresh issues in the gapless playback. If you want to help test it as a Beta user, please send us feedback so we can whitelist your devices today. Thank you again for helping us with these issues.
 
Hi Onlyoneme, Team

We just fixed "setNextURI" and metadata refresh issues in the gapless playback. If you want to help test it as a Beta user, please send us feedback so we can whitelist your devices today. Thank you again for helping us with these issues.
Ok, I send a PM.
 
Even though I had trouble getting off the last beta I was pushed onto this new one, and from my initial testing it looks to be an epic release!

From my limited testing with MinimServer and BubbleUPnP
  • The period in the name is fixed
  • I can now play tracks of 5 seconds in length gaplessly (previous limit was ~35 seconds before gaps appeared)
  • During the "album" consisting of 5 second tracks the metadata in the WHA was refreshing
Lots more scenarios to test but looking very impressive so far.

I hope/assume it's ok to put these beta comments on the forum? Obviously if they hadn't been as positive I would have just fed them back through the other channels.

Congrats so far @WiiM Support , @WiiM Team
 
Even though I had trouble getting off the last beta I was pushed onto this new one, and from my initial testing it looks to be an epic release!

From my limited testing with MinimServer and BubbleUPnP
  • The period in the name is fixed
  • I can now play tracks of 5 seconds in length gaplessly (previous limit was ~35 seconds before gaps appeared)
  • During the "album" consisting of 5 second tracks the metadata in the WHA was refreshing
Lots more scenarios to test but looking very impressive so far.

I hope/assume it's ok to put these beta comments on the forum? Obviously if they hadn't been as positive I would have just fed them back through the other channels.

Congrats so far @WiiM Support , @WiiM Team
Yes, it looks really good to me as well. Just one small issue I've reported to the support.
 
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Even though I had trouble getting off the last beta I was pushed onto this new one, and from my initial testing it looks to be an epic release!

From my limited testing with MinimServer and BubbleUPnP
  • The period in the name is fixed
  • I can now play tracks of 5 seconds in length gaplessly (previous limit was ~35 seconds before gaps appeared)
  • During the "album" consisting of 5 second tracks the metadata in the WHA was refreshing
Lots more scenarios to test but looking very impressive so far.

I hope/assume it's ok to put these beta comments on the forum? Obviously if they hadn't been as positive I would have just fed them back through the other channels.

Congrats so far @WiiM Support , @WiiM Team
Yeah, period issue sorted for me too. Hopefully the multi disc issue will get resolved soon too, although from a very quick look this morning in bed before I got up, not sure if bubbleupnp/minimserver have an issue themselves with that - when I browsed a 2cd set, it tells me the first disc is empty. As I say, I need to have another better test, but perhaps this isn't the forum to progress that.
 
Even though I had trouble getting off the last beta I was pushed onto this new one, and from my initial testing it looks to be an epic release!

From my limited testing with MinimServer and BubbleUPnP
  • The period in the name is fixed
  • I can now play tracks of 5 seconds in length gaplessly (previous limit was ~35 seconds before gaps appeared)
  • During the "album" consisting of 5 second tracks the metadata in the WHA was refreshing
Lots more scenarios to test but looking very impressive so far.

I hope/assume it's ok to put these beta comments on the forum? Obviously if they hadn't been as positive I would have just fed them back through the other channels.

Congrats so far @WiiM Support , @WiiM Team
Hi Simbun, Brantome, onlyoneme, Team

Thank you very much for your help with the Beta test of these DLNA issues.

One remaining issue related to the track order needs to be fixed on the WiiM Home App. We'll release the App fix around 5/15. I hope the fixes provide better compatibility with third-party DLNA media servers. Our team highly appreciates the support received from the community. Thank you!
 
Hopefully the multi disc issue will get resolved soon too, although from a very quick look this morning in bed before I got up, not sure if bubbleupnp/minimserver have an issue themselves with that - when I browsed a 2cd set, it tells me the first disc is empty.
I just set the "showAllDiscs=true" option (I usually just have disc subtitles displayed where applicable) and it seems to be working for me, I do however only have FLAC and use DISCNUMBER and DISCTOTAL tags, so not a very extensive test.
Happy to test a scenario for you offline if you'd like?
 
I just set the "showAllDiscs=true" option (I usually just have disc subtitles displayed where applicable) and it seems to be working for me, I do however only have FLAC and use DISCNUMBER and DISCTOTAL tags, so not a very extensive test.
Happy to test a scenario for you offline if you'd like?
Thanks, I'll get on to it in a day or so - real life getting in the way today ;)
 
I have the beta firmware on my Mini now - 4.6.516229 - and using in conjunction with LMS UPnP/DLNA Bridge v2.2.1

The bridge is configured to simply pass the stream from LMS to the WiiM with no alteration at a max sample rate of 96,000 to match the optical input on my CD Receiver. I have made some very limited tests in the time available but so far gapless playback of local FLAC has been fine - DSOTM has played straight through. I will let LMS's Don't Stop The Music do its stuff over the course of the day which will throw a mix of stuff from various sources at various bit rates and will report back.
 
WiiM Mini firmware 4.6.516229 - LMS UPnP/DLNA Bridge v2.2.1

An hour and a half in and this is looking very promising. Don't Stop The Music has thrown up various 16/44.1, 24/96 and 24/192 tracks both from my own library and from Qobuz. I haven't had anything miss a beat yet. Stuff coming from Qobuz at 24/192 is being correctly downsampled by LMS to 24/96 before passthrough to the WiiM. Gapless where appropriate and short track handling has been correct.

While it is of no consequence to me as I am controlling via LMS/Material I have kept an eye of the metadata sent to the WiiM app by the UPnP/DLNA Bridge. It has updated correctly with one very very minor exception - kbps seems to be stuck and is displaying the data from the first track played. My ears tell me that what is actually reaching my DAC is correct.
 
WiiM Mini firmware 4.6.516229 - LMS UPnP/DLNA Bridge v2.2.1

An hour and a half in and this is looking very promising. Don't Stop The Music has thrown up various 16/44.1, 24/96 and 24/192 tracks both from my own library and from Qobuz. I haven't had anything miss a beat yet. Stuff coming from Qobuz at 24/192 is being correctly downsampled by LMS to 24/96 before passthrough to the WiiM. Gapless where appropriate and short track handling has been correct.

While it is of no consequence to me as I am controlling via LMS/Material I have kept an eye of the metadata sent to the WiiM app by the UPnP/DLNA Bridge. It has updated correctly with one very very minor exception - kbps seems to be stuck and is displaying the data from the first track played. My ears tell me that what is actually reaching my DAC is correct.
Can you try to mix wavs and flacs in the same playlist if you didn't test that yet?
Kbps is always 524 kbps in my case for flacs.
 
WiiM Mini firmware 4.6.516229 - LMS UPnP/DLNA Bridge v2.2.1

An hour and a half in and this is looking very promising. Don't Stop The Music has thrown up various 16/44.1, 24/96 and 24/192 tracks both from my own library and from Qobuz. I haven't had anything miss a beat yet. Stuff coming from Qobuz at 24/192 is being correctly downsampled by LMS to 24/96 before passthrough to the WiiM. Gapless where appropriate and short track handling has been correct.

While it is of no consequence to me as I am controlling via LMS/Material I have kept an eye of the metadata sent to the WiiM app by the UPnP/DLNA Bridge. It has updated correctly with one very very minor exception - kbps seems to be stuck and is displaying the data from the first track played. My ears tell me that what is actually reaching my DAC is correct.
Hi d6jg,

Thanks for your tests. Our Eng. team will look at the bitrate issue and help fix it shortly. Thank you!
 
Can you try to mix wavs and flacs in the same playlist if you didn't test that yet?
Kbps is always 524 kbps in my case for flacs.
Also 524 kbps but I had put that down to Speak to Me being very quiet! Probably an arbitrary number from Philippe then.

Unfortunately I have no WAVs in my collection. 98% FLAC with a few mp3's and m4a's.

Are you seeing issues with FLAC/WAV mix?

I have just moved on to Radio Paradise and the metadata update is very slow.
 
Also 524 kbps but I had put that down to Speak to Me being very quiet! Probably an arbitrary number from Philippe then.

Unfortunately I have no WAVs in my collection. 98% FLAC with a few mp3's and m4a's.

Are you seeing issues with FLAC/WAV mix?

I have just moved on to Radio Paradise and the metadata update is very slow.
No, 524 comes from the WiiM as a result of content analysis.
I can see issues with flacs mixed with wavs, it breaks the gapless playback as my flacs are being recognized as 32 bit by ffmpeg library probably. Wavs are 24 bits.
The content is the same in fact, 24 bit.
Can you convert any 24 bit content to flac and wav and verify what happens?
 
No, 524 comes from the WiiM as a result of content analysis.
I can see issues with flacs mixed with wavs, it breaks the gapless playback as my flacs are being recognized as 32 bit by ffmpeg library probably. Wavs are 24 bits.
The content is the same in fact, 24 bit.
Can you convert any 24 bit content to flac and wav and verify what happens?
I could easily do that but I don't really have much local 24bit stuff that could be suitable - short tracks etc.
That said I have just taken delivery of a new Audio Interface for needledrop purposes which is 24/192 capable. I'll set it up tonight and needledrop something that I can split / convert accordingly.
 
Can you try with these files? And optionally convert the provided wav to the flac using your tools, and test it as well?

These files are not pleasant to listen to.
 

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