Indepedent PEQ bands for SUB OUT and setting different crossover at sub out page for mains only (subs have internal amps)

[jdjd1]

So I was tuning my system and I noticed my speakers are actually good from 60 to 120 hz where the sub is good but it has some dips which can't be fixed due to room.

So I bypassed speakers and subwoofer in sub out page and use internal subwoofer amp for its crossover and the 3 peq bands it has. then I went onto the LEFT and RIGHT speakers individually, so I could EQ them , but I also had to use the first PEQ bands of LEFT and RIGHT to EQ SUB cause I really needed 6 bands for Subwoofer.

Problem:

EQ for subwoofer is affecting speakers, and EQ for speakers is affecting Subwoofer.

Please give us seperate PEQ bands for SUB OUT.

and if possible since we can bypass either speaker or sub or both also give the opurtunity to set crossover in sub out page for subwoofer and speakers individually.

ps: although I did notice EQ is sometimes not applied unless a reboot in wiim is done.


Best regards and thank you for the amazing device that wiim ultra is.

 

[jdjd1]

Ok I'm sorry I forgot left + right already has LP and HP to set (if bypassing mains in sub out page) so all that is required is really PEQ bands exclusively for subwoofer.

 

[Wiimer]

Ok I'm sorry I forgot left + right already has LP and HP to set (if bypassing mains in sub out page) so all that is required is really PEQ bands exclusively for subwoofer.

I believe if you set LP and HP on one crosspoint you will get very little sound. (Sorry if I misunderstood your post.)

 

[jdjd1]

I believe if you set LP and HP on one crosspoint you will get very little sound. (Sorry if I misunderstood your post.)

Yes for now it would also apply to sub, since it is a summation of LEFT + RIGHT, however if we get exclusive PEQ bands for SUB OUT, then you can make LP or HP using the PEQ bands for every channel individually if you would like (LEFT+RIGHT+SUBWOOFER) in combination with the sub out page bypass options. Since different Q's in HP or LP already make different kind of crossovers like BU2 needs a Q of 0.707 however a Q of 0.71 should be a close approximation.

 

[harkpabst]

EQ for subwoofer is affecting speakers, and EQ for speakers is affecting Subwoofer.

How is it going to affect each other unless you explicitly enable either "Subwoofer Bypass Mode" or "Main Speakers Output Bass"?

RoomFit attempts to cure room problems, no matter if the output comes from the main speakers, the subwoofer(s) or both. If the sub brings its own room correction setup and you want to use that you can simply increase the lower frequency limit for RoomFit.

 

[jdjd1]

How is it going to affect each other unless you explicitly enable either "Subwoofer Bypass Mode" or "Main Speakers Output Bass"?

RoomFit attempts to cure room problems, no matter if the output comes from the main speakers, the subwoofer(s) or both. If the sub brings its own room correction setup and you want to use that you can simply increase the lower frequency limit for RoomFit.

maybe some of us like REW?

 

[jdjd1]

How is it going to affect each other unless you explicitly enable either "Subwoofer Bypass Mode" or "Main Speakers Output Bass"?

RoomFit attempts to cure room problems, no matter if the output comes from the main speakers, the subwoofer(s) or both. If the sub brings its own room correction setup and you want to use that you can simply increase the lower frequency limit for RoomFit.

I don't understand what is their to be agaisn't separating the EQ from SUB OUT from the L/R PEQ it makes total sense, for example imagine you have a dip at xover point in right channel and not in left channel and also not in subwoofer, if you do anything to that frequency with a PEQ band at Right channel YOU WILL AFFECT THE SUBWOOFER at same time. If you want a proper independent house curve for subwoofer and main speaker (bass limited speakers) (for proper summation) you can't be affecting subwoofer after the crossover point or main speakers before the crossover point or vice-versa. if people want to affect the whole system they can just use PEQ STEREO, now IF one wants to use L/R PEQ properly the sub out needs to be seperated from it. also 5 or 10 channels more for sub would be delightful.

Today I had to make sure from the 13 (23) peq bands I used, (10 per channel (L/R) for wiim ultra, plus 3 from sub internal amp), which led me to having 6 PEQ bands on L+R peq channels for sub, making sure they only affect until 60 hz or else I would influence too much the main speakers, and then the last 3 out of 9 I used for subwoofer went to the internal amp since they were too close or after crossover point and would affect main speakers (sub has a huge bump at 140 hz which since sub and main speakers are crossed at 90 hertz WOULD affect the main speakers in a place I can't afford it).

the remaining 4 PEQ bands per channel (L+R) where dedicated to each L and R speaker so out fo 20 PEQ BANDS 12 were used for subwoofer and only 4 for Right channel and 4 for Left channel, which is severely limiting.

But what is most annoying about this is the fact that you can't really do anything near crossover point because it will affect either L or Right + Subwoofer.

thanks and best regards.

EDIT: PS: I'm not using bypass anymore and I'm using Sub Out page crossover.

 

[jdjd1]

Also without indepent sub out PEQ BANDS if I want to use HP in MAIN SPEAKERS L/R PEQ BANDS it will affect SUBWOOFER, which renders it impossible to use them, also makes bypass mode in sub out page rather useless.

 

[jdjd1]

Here is a visual of the PEQ bands I've reached, 3 of the sub went to internal sub amp so as not to disturb main speakers PEQ bands (L/R) and because I needed more bands

 

[jdjd1]

and here is how they are in wiim L/R PEQ BANDS and wiim sub out page and also a picture of the PEQ bands that went into the sub internal amp.