Listening test: WiiM Amp Pro vs WiiM Amp Ultra

[More Watts]

Ah yes, fighting useless, harmful, expensive dogma with facts is considered aggressive in this day and age. But, but, mah beleefs....

If I sound aggressive, it is because "an actual forum facilitator (is) mocking the very well thought-out design concepts of these wonderful products." I find that rather alarming, in this forum.

 

[Wiimer]

Not even WiiM markets their products on "sound" differences.

That's not necessarily the case.

In an interview with Japan's Audio Web, they described the sound quality of the Amp, Amp Pro, and Amp Ultra as "Good", "Better", and "Best".

Also, if you're interested, you might ask the WiiM Chatbot about the differences in sound quality between the 3 models.

In any case, that doesn't change the fact that your comments here are inappropriate.

 

[More Watts]

ask the WiiM Chatbot about the differences in sound quality between the 3 models

All of which have to do with how large a room you want to fill with sound, which determines the required amplifier power. Any model works great for desk top systems -- there will be no "sound difference", as illustrated by the OP. Bigger rooms require more power, therefore -- the various amp models. Maybe you should re-run the 'bot.'

I think you guys don't know the difference between 'aggressive' and 'assertive.' I assertively dismiss the very concept of "golden ears." You should also. Since they don't exist. Which allows for the very existence of these wonderful WiiM products.

 

[Wiimer]

All of which have to do with how large a room you want to fill with sound, which determines the required amplifier power. Any model works great for desk top systems -- there will be no "sound difference", as illustrated by the OP. Bigger rooms require more power, therefore -- the various amp models. Maybe you should re-run the 'bot.'

I think you guys don't know the difference between 'aggressive' and 'assertive.' I assertively dismiss the very concept of "golden ears." You should also. Since they don't exist. Which allows for the very existence of these wonderful WiiM products.

Still going on about it?
Just send a ticket and ask the team directly.

"an actual forum facilitator (is) mocking the very well thought-out design concepts of these wonderful products."

Then you should soon realise that this is nothing more than your own delusion

 

[slartibartfast]

Not even WiiM markets their products on "sound" differences.

How would you interpret this then?

 

[harkpabst]

I think you guys don't know the difference between 'aggressive' and 'assertive.'

It's not on you to decide if your behaviour is observed as aggressive by others or not. Isn't that a trivial fact?

You are absolutely free to express your option, no matter if it's in line with a moderator's point of view or not. But it's not acceptable to personally attack any community member (moderator or not) because they don't share your conviction. Apart from this, messing with a moderator will only ever lead to the same result in each and every Internet forum ...

I don't want your valuable contributions to be discredited because of inappropriate personal interactions.

 

[More Watts]

".... more detail and dynamic range."

'Dynamic range' means the amp will play louder, because it outputs more watts. This is irrefutable, simply from a look at the specs. So WiiM says so.

'Detail' is immeasurable, per se, but lower noise and distortion can be seen in specs and measurements. However, WiiM is required to use some sort of marketing term, becasue people refuse to learn what the numbers mean.

@slartibartfast and @Wiimer, WiiM appreciates your efforts to always steer people towards their more expensive products.

@dominikz thank you for your 2 wonderful posts on the topic! The sad fact is, that after your fine attempt, only 1 person has posted that they actually tried this test. I see that you also interact at ASR, and that you have posted a link in a post there, to the threads here. You would get alotta interaction if you re-posted these threads at ASR.

 

[slartibartfast]

".... more detail and dynamic range."

'Dynamic range' means the amp will play louder, because it outputs more watts. This is irrefutable, simply from a look at the specs. So WiiM says so.

'Detail' is immeasurable, per se, but lower noise and distortion can be seen in specs and measurements. However, WiiM is required to use some sort of marketing term, becasue people refuse to learn what the numbers mean.

@slartibartfast and @Wiimer, WiiM appreciates your efforts to always steer people towards their more expensive products.

@dominikz thank you for your 2 wonderful posts on the topic! The sad fact is, that after your fine attempt, only 1 person has posted that they actually tried this test. I see that you also interact at ASR, and that you have posted a link in a post there, to the threads here. You would get alotta interaction if you re-posted these threads at ASR.

I'm not trying to steer anyone towards the more expensive products, WiiM are, understandably. I'm happy with the original Amp.

 

[cooky560]

".... more detail and dynamic range."

'Dynamic range' means the amp will play louder, because it outputs more watts. This is irrefutable, simply from a look at the specs. So WiiM says so.

'Detail' is immeasurable, per se, but lower noise and distortion can be seen in specs and measurements. However, WiiM is required to use some sort of marketing term, becasue people refuse to learn what the numbers mean.

@slartibartfast and @Wiimer, WiiM appreciates your efforts to always steer people towards their more expensive products.

@dominikz thank you for your 2 wonderful posts on the topic! The sad fact is, that after your fine attempt, only 1 person has posted that they actually tried this test. I see that you also interact at ASR, and that you have posted a link in a post there, to the threads here. You would get alotta interaction if you re-posted these threads at ASR.

I don’t have golden ears. However some speakers perform far better with more power than others. So for people with those speakers, this fact alone means the ultra gives them more options.

I have tested tested this with some of my own speakers.

 

[adias]

In my experience the Amp Ultra offers a better more life-like sound-field than the Amp Pro. Effortless comes to mind.

 

[More Watts]

FYI, the reason for the thread is that the OP asks you to take the tests. And post your results. Only 1 so far....

I don't think he asked for "I have this or that and therefore I like this or that" posts. However, welcome to the interwebs....

Come on guys, try the tests. Post your results. What are you afraid of....

 

[dominikz]

FYI, the reason for the thread is that the OP asks you to take the tests. And post your results. Only 1 so far....

Actually no, I didn't post this to challenge anyone, nor is anyone expected to post their listening test results.

My intention was only to share the data together with some (hopefully helpful) commentary, and the recordings are included for those who want to listen for themselves.

If at least some people reading this forum found some of it useful, informative or at least interesting, I'll be pleased.

@dominikz thank you for your 2 wonderful posts on the topic! The sad fact is, that after your fine attempt, only 1 person has posted that they actually tried this test. I see that you also interact at ASR, and that you have posted a link in a post there, to the threads here. You would get alotta interaction if you re-posted these threads at ASR.

Thanks for the kind words!

There's quite a few of similar analyses I posted on ASR already, but this one fit here better IMHO.
While I'm happy to see people engaging constructively in such threads, I don't really do it for the attention or the likes.
I just think that sharing our knowledge, data and findings with other people is the right thing to do!

That all being said, I have to reiterate that I truly believe messages have a much better chance of being received well if they are delivered kindly, respectfully and supported by sound argumentation.

So even if I agree with some of your statements regarding audio, I'm personally not a fan of the delivery method you used in this thread. I'd say that this kind of communication approach is more likely to alienate people from the scientific method, rather than to bring them closer to it.

 

[DazST]

Ah yes, fighting useless, harmful, expensive dogma with facts is considered aggressive in this day and age. But, but, mah beleefs....

Objectivism can also be quite dogmatic, as some of your posts in this thread are illustrating, unfortunately.

 

[Wiimer]

What I find regrettable is that such communication leads to ASR being misunderstood as a religious organisation.

 

[574stereo]

What I find regrettable is that such communication leads to ASR being misunderstood as a religious organisation.

This is why I’ve avoided the forum like the plague. There’s a lot of good work being done there, but it’s turned into bit of a cult.

Not only that, but some of the behaviour and aggression is IMO totally unacceptable.

 

[RyanWithWiiM]

There's really no need for the ad-hominems, everyone should be free to share their opinion.
I believe the discussions are in general more constructive if we focus on the statements rather than the person, and if we write in a respectful way.

"100% agreed." - The forum facilitator.

I think we can all appreciate @More Watts's passion for objective audio measurements and science-based discussion, which I think we all agree that's an important part of our community. However, let's try to focus on expressing these views without crossing into personal attacks against other members and moderators.

There's no reason to attack anyone on the board, so let's avoid calling people out for any reason. You can disagree strongly with ideas without questioning someone's qualifications, calling their contributions "useless drivel," or demanding they prove themselves to you.

While we encourage science-based discussion, we also recognize that people experience and enjoy audio differently. Both objective measurements and subjective experience have their place here.

Also, Curators and Moderators are here to help foster constructive dialogue, along with tagging threads and making sure discussions happen in the right place, they don't enforce a single viewpoint on subjective vs. objective approaches and we don't require them to speak in any particular way, other then following the rules everyone here is expected to follow.

 

[gasolin75]

Before i forget it

Both amps should have a mono setting

If you used that i don't know but that would solve what channel your listing to since all you listen to is mono where difference is in sound qulaity and mabye volume

 

[slartibartfast]

Before i forget it

Both amps should have a mono setting

If you used that i don't know but that would solve what channel your listing to since all you listen to is mono where difference is in sound qulaity and mabye volume

Who are you replying to? The Amps do have a mono setting.

 

[gasolin75]

Who are you replying to? The Amps do have a mono setting.
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Op when testing both amps, that makes shure both amps would get 100% the same sound

Yes it does, use the audio channel

 

[harkpabst]

Op when testing both amps, that makes shure both amps would get 100% the same sound

OP was focussing on measured performance in the first place, not listening experience. And when he comes to listening they did express more than once how listening in stereo can hide tonality issues.

Yes it does, use the audio channel

This is exactly what slarti has been confirming, not questioning.