My WiiM Pro Plus (+) tests

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Achim1811 said:
Not useless. Minimum a point of entry for some sorting of priorities. Insignificant? Not more or less than others. My feeling to often is that you OAs work as killjoy more than as motivator. Getting confirmation and proof from a "knowing person" is dangerous for searching people. But we always use the human emergency exits like "of course it is up to you" or other empty phrases. The overrating of measurements is in todays market not longer necessary. Buying items or brands which entered the scene and stood there for long is maybe the better way to avoid trouble. Not graphs or digits.
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I have been reading onelyoneme for a while. I generally see a lot of objectivity-subjectivity precautions in it, without any real bias. just a sharing, without looking for recognition, a playful effort...
with an effort (there is the game) of method, rigor etc.
fun

It's up to each one to know what they want to do with it...
 
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I'd like to have my say. I followed the thread from the beginning and now I'm lost in a sea of fog. I understand the intention, and all the measures, but all those X;Y;Z or A;B;C or C;A;B etc I think are confusing to mere mortals who aren't sound engineers. To have a clearer idea for everyone, wouldn't a pure and simple review based on a real listening test be better?
I try to explain what I mean.
Since we are talking about Pro and Pro+ I would leave the Mini aside. It has nothing to do with them. One less.
I would choose an album that I know well. Very well. By heart. So I would choose a track. At this point I would play the track over and over on the Pro and Pro+ trying to catch the differences. Once this is done, I would announce the results of the listening regarding the two devices.
Pro + vs Pro. How does the Pro+ compare to the Pro in the following fields?
Soundstage (Widht/Depth)
Channel Separation
Dynamic
Transients
Highs
Mids
Bass
Reproduction at band edges (Sub Bass/heights). There is some cut off in extreme highs?
Voices
General Sound Signature (Cooler? Warmer?)

I think this would help everyone. Even those who don't eat measurements for breakfast. ;)
I know, the result would be a personal impression, but all the reviews are. Any review is the result of the reviewer's experience, ears, tastes and equipment. It is however a starting point. You can share it or not, but it's something.
You can then compare different reviews to get a broader basis and draw your own conclusions.
If, for example, four out of 5 reviewers agree, there's a good chance that what they say is at least close enough to reality.
Since it is not always possible to find the devices in physical stores (too many devices and of too many categories to hope to be able to find them all) the only solution is to buy online. However, it is a blind purchase and here, before buying, it can be useful to read and compare the reviews or blogs concerning the item I would like to buy.
Obviously this is my thought. Debatable, of course, as long as you want.
 
I'm pretty sure sooner or later someone will do a review of which one you prefer. The only advice I can give you right now is not to bother with mine at all.
Or, if for some reason you are still interested in it, just listen to the examples I provided and write something about it

Soundstage (Widht/Depth)
Channel Separation
Dynamic
Transients
Highs
Mids
Bass
Reproduction at band edges (Sub Bass/heights). There is some cut off in extreme highs?
Voices
General Sound Signature (Cooler? Warmer?)

for each of them.
 
One problem with a two horse race is that you are expecting to hear a difference.
The 3rd horse brings some form of balance to that.
But indeed, if one doesn't care to participate, don't!

Totally unrelated, apart from the horse idiom
1 1 was a racehorse
2 2 was 1 2
1 1 1 1 race 1 day
2 2 1 1 2

Now get all the non-native Englishers here to try to get the words right with google translate ;)
(and probably many natives as well)
 
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Is sample y the rme dac? Did you like the sound of wiim pro plus @onlyoneme ? From 1 to 5 ( or percentage) stars compared to rme what rating would you give for sound only?
 
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Besides of that, my text is about the device behavior, not impressions. @Brantome is the correct person here to ask about impressions.
 
I understand that but in every technical analysis a high level report should be drawn to interpret the results. I mean we do measurements and tests especially for a purpose not just for the sake of measurements .

Remark/question : Maybe you included an allo nirvana in one sample?
 
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onlyoneme said:
I'm pretty sure sooner or later someone will do a review of which one you prefer. The only advice I can give you right now is not to bother with mine at all.
Or, if for some reason you are still interested in it, just listen to the examples I provided and write something about it

Soundstage (Widht/Depth)
Channel Separation
Dynamic
Transients
Highs
Mids
Bass
Reproduction at band edges (Sub Bass/heights). There is some cut off in extreme highs?
Voices
General Sound Signature (Cooler? Warmer?)

for each of them.
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I would if..... I had a Pro + to test, but I haven't ;)
 
steadyshot said:
I understand that but in every technical analysis a high level report should be drawn to interpret the results. I mean we do measurements and tests especially for a purpose not just for the sake of measurements .

Remark/question : Maybe you included an allo nirvana in one sample?
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There are my notes and remarks to most of the measurements. Regarding the interpretations... it can be a similar issue as with impressions. There is no such a thing as one and only interpretation of how measurements can affect the audio, therefore I don't want to go too far with it.
Nirvana is planned for the second batch of samples.

Plus an additional section for comparison of Nirvana vs powerbank vs common charger in DeltaWave tool, which is made for such kind of audio comparisons.
 
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onlyoneme said:
There are my notes and remarks to most of the measurements. Regarding the interpretations... it can be a similar issue as with impressions. There is no such a thing as one and only interpretation of how measurements can affect the audio, therefore I don't want to go too far with it.
Nirvana is planned for the second batch of samples.

Plus an additional section for comparison of Nirvana vs powerbank vs common charger in DeltaWave tool, which is made for such kind of audio comparisons.
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Of course you decide what you want to do…
 
Why are we not getting a personal comment regarding how it sound? Users would prefer a simple comment instead solely rely on measurements. Is the sound warm, neutral or analytical? That’s we all want to know.
 
Achim1811 said:
A 700 € DAC competing with an internal one in a 250 € budget streamer?
They would be magicians in their engineering and in their economical abilities. Anyway, if they succeed I would sue Topping in WHFC 😉
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It is 499 euros! They said it is comparable up to 500usd but I am asking…
 

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Quite close considering the different methodologies. Would be closer if not low freq distortions.
 
onlyoneme said:
Quite close considering the different methodologies. Would be closer if not low freq distortions.
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Can the production model differ from the pre production you received for testing ? I mean in a way that can affect its measured output…
 
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