My WiiM Pro Plus (+) tests

[onlyoneme]

I don‘t know if the new set are the same as the old set I.e from the same three devices, or the same three tracks recorded differently but you say the differences are inaudible. So in terms of audibility x1=x2, y1=y2, z1=z2 so what are we listening out for? Or is set 2 different music from set 1 in which case there would be an obvious audible difference. I can’t get my head round what we’ve to listen to.

The same song recorded with the same devices but with a bit more polished procedure I prefer to follow. That's all.

 

[steadyshot]

They are not the same. You can download and see yourself. Difference is not audible in my opinion, just a procedure of creation has changed so the binary content has changed also. They are of the same length now. Volume level is matched a bit better. Better alignment of sample songs to each other. My satisfaction has increased due to better work I did.

Is this really something to discuss?

Ok now I get what you wanted to say. However this changes the relative differences for the better( more accurate representation )and this should be worthwhile

 

[onlyoneme]

Maybe I should just replace them without noticing but I didn't want to do that in such sneaky way. Sorry for the confusion I made instead.

I hope the note in the review on this is now clearer.

 

[steadyshot]

Now the relative differences are very hard to spot even with headphones and total silence. So if I had to judge based on this I would have gone with the cheaper. Y is cleaner and some background sounds are more distinctive and it has tighter cleaner baseline from 0:37 and after

 

[onlyoneme]

Do you mean that it's more difficult to hear the differences when using 1a pack comparing to the previous one?

 

[steadyshot]

Do you mean that it's more difficult to hear the differences when using 1a pack comparing to the previous one?

Yes

 

[onlyoneme]

It's very unlikely IMO, but I will look into it tomorrow.

You didn't mean the earliest version with unwanted clicks and pops?

 

[steadyshot]

It's very unlikely IMO, but I will look into it tomorrow.

You didn't mean the earliest version with unwanted clicks and pops?

I have heard clicks and pops in the beginning of y recording in the first set . But I did not listen to The whole tracks. Up to 50 sec mark

 

[onlyoneme]

The very first version was broken with audible distortions like clicks because my recording software stopped working correctly after the update. I had to capture the content using another program and reupload it - that's the current pack 1 from the first link. Pack 1a and second link is an improved version.

 

[canard]

Hi Canard,

Sure thing. Our team is actively investigating the SMPTE test at low-frequency and will keep the community posted. Please stay tuned! Thank you all for your continued support.

any feedback on this weakness, on pre-series, on the distortion side?
;-)

the thd-n measurement at 1 khz is an important trompe-l'oeil.. because the distortion is notably more important in an essential zone where a large part of the signal is....

 

[onlyoneme]

I don't fully trust any measurements, even mines. When I see anything weird I will repeat the test and try to verify it another way to make sure that the issue really happens.

 

[onlyoneme]

There are many variables that can affect the results, so I avoid direct comparisons between measurements taken with different measuring devices and by different people.

 

[onlyoneme]

Another test done by someone else with their equipment acts as a cross-check, if something again doesn't measure as well as expected, the likelihood of a real problem increases. Confirmation done.

It's simply up to you who you trust and what value, if any, someone else's work can bring you.

 

[onlyoneme]

I think no value for me continue this discussion. "Confirmation done" means that something is wrong indeed and the bad result is not just a fault of the tester. Especially for procedures that do not rely on psychoacoustics.
"the likelihood of a real problem increases"

 

[steadyshot]

Measurements are necessary . But the correct style is stereophile style. Both measurements and subjective impressions

 

[onlyoneme]

Measurements are necessary . But the correct style is stereophile style. Both measurements and subjective impressions

If one cares about keeping one's subjective impressions as impartial as possible, then yes.

 

[Wiimer]

My ears are easily fooled.

So if i own a good audio device with measurement results, it will feel good and i can feel that the sound has improved.
(However, when I choose speakers, I pursue my own preferences.)

But I don't think I'm going to force it on others, and I don't want to argue about it with anyone. It's my personal preference, and I'll keep it to me.

 

[onlyoneme]

Quite obvious I've touched a nerve...

Not really. I'm fully aware that for some people most of my work here is useless and insignificant. I just see no reason to discuss it.

 

[onlyoneme]

My ears are easily fooled.

So if i own a good audio device with measurement results, it will feel good and i can feel that the sound has improved.
(However, when I choose speakers, I pursue my own preferences.)

But I don't think I'm going to force it on others, and I don't want to argue about it with anyone. It's my personal preference, and I'll keep it to me.

Yeah, speakers are a different story. We don't usually have an anechoic chamber.

 

[steadyshot]

If one cares about keeping one's subjective impressions as impartial as possible, then yes.

The thing is that the element of being in the room and hearing is valuable and difficult to be captured exactly . But if the measurements fail there is something wrong . So if I am to buy something I want to both measure well and have also a positive consensus from users and reviewers