Yes, they warned me. This time fix was fast but since I have such amp (Dec 2023) two upgrade were released and both added a new big trouble, without solving what expected and therefore needing further fix. 100% of bad releases...
Guys,
I‘m thinking of testing the WiiM Pro Plus as pre amplifier with an Purifi 1ET400A ST Stereo Amplifier from Appolon as it has more power to drive my new Elac FS 409.2 that are rated with 200W at 4 ohms. This would be cheaper than the NAD M10v2 and without its flaws.
May I ask your opinion:
a) Is it correct that the WiiM Pro Plus can be used as PreAmp or must I wait for the Ultra (as this one seems to have a volume knob)?
b) Do you think the better power amplifier will be audible compared to the TP3255 from the WiiM Amp? The Hypex nCore 252 from the NAD was actually not better in my ears…
The testing is more for the fun part but opinions are welcome nevertheless
Michael
I‘m thinking of testing the WiiM Pro Plus as pre amplifier with an Purifi 1ET400A ST Stereo Amplifier from Appolon as it has more power to drive my new Elac FS 409.2 that are rated with 200W at 4 ohms. This would be cheaper than the NAD M10v2 and without its flaws.
May I ask your opinion:
a) Is it correct that the WiiM Pro Plus can be used as PreAmp or must I wait for the Ultra (as this one seems to have a volume knob)?
b) Do you think the better power amplifier will be audible compared to the TP3255 from the WiiM Amp? The Hypex nCore 252 from the NAD was actually not better in my ears…
The testing is more for the fun part but opinions are welcome nevertheless
Michael
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Have you tried them with the WiiM amp? They should be sensitive enough and the minimum recommended amplifier power is 40W. The WiiM is well above that into 4 Ohm speakers.Guys,
I‘m thinking of testing the WiiM Pro Plus as pre amplifier with an Purifi 1ET400A ST Stereo Amplifier from Appolon as it has more power to drive my new Elac FS 409.2 that are rated with 200W at 4 ohms. This would be cheaper than the NAD M10v2 and without its flaws.
May I ask your opinion:
a) Is it correct that the WiiM Pro Plus can be used as PreAmp or must I wait for the Ultra (as this one seems to have a volume knob)?
b) Do you think the better power amplifier will be audible compared to the TP3255 from the WiiM Amp? The Hypex nCore 252 from the NAD was actually not better in my ears…
The testing is more for the fun part but opinions are welcome nevertheless
Michael
Yes, I am running them with the WiiM Amp since a few weeks and am very satisfied - 85dbA volume are no problem (measured on my Apple Watch).
However, reading all the stuff about Purify being the best Class D amplifiers in the world etc. makes me curious if there will indeed be audible improvement over the TP3255.
But since the NAD was not better (without Dirac) I am starting to believe this all is marketing
However, reading all the stuff about Purify being the best Class D amplifiers in the world etc. makes me curious if there will indeed be audible improvement over the TP3255.
But since the NAD was not better (without Dirac) I am starting to believe this all is marketing
As I mentioned before, Loudspeaker and Amplifier form a unity. Hypex nCore 252 has a good reputation but it seams not compatible with your taste/loudspeaker characteristics…
Yes, you could use WiiM Pro+ as a „pre“ as long as you can control the volume by it by something like Spotify or by an App as ipeng and so test what you like…
Yes, you could use WiiM Pro+ as a „pre“ as long as you can control the volume by it by something like Spotify or by an App as ipeng and so test what you like…
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Absolutly!It is not that the NC252 from the NAD did not match my taste but it sounded not different to the WiiM in my ears so I found it too expensive compared to the WiiM.
But part of the hobby is you never stop searching for improvements I guess
Have you tried classical Amps like A, A/B, Tube?
When I bought my Atoll Amp I tried several others; especially in respect to soundstage there are huge differences… as long as your loudspeakers have enough space (depending on them up to 1m if possible) from the walls…
Besides the WiiM Amp and NAD M10v2 I tried an Elac DS-A101-G BASH Amp but found it worse since it neither supports EQ like the WiiM nor Dirac like the NAD. And without EQ no Amp will ever satisfy me
I think it’s also a psychological issue here. My Elac speakers are much more expensive than the WiiM Amp and a part in me just cannot believe that the WiiM Amp sounds as good as much more expensive Amps. I always have a feeling that a more expensive one also must sound better - despite the FACT that the NAD already failed for me in that it was NOT sounding better even though much more expensive.
Plus the Appolon looks highendy
I think it’s also a psychological issue here. My Elac speakers are much more expensive than the WiiM Amp and a part in me just cannot believe that the WiiM Amp sounds as good as much more expensive Amps. I always have a feeling that a more expensive one also must sound better - despite the FACT that the NAD already failed for me in that it was NOT sounding better even though much more expensive.
Plus the Appolon looks highendy
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That's how the HiFi industry wants you to think
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Oh that's surprising. I have had a totally different experience. The sound quality of the Wiim Amp didn't come close to my NAD C700. It sounded flat, lacked power, wasn't very detailed, and the soundstage wasn't great either. I then tried a Wiim Mini with a Fosi Audio ZA3 amp, which was better but still not as smooth and detailed as the NAD C700. So I thought, what if I add an external DAC? Due to budget constraints and good reviews, I added an SMSL SU-1 DAC. That worked wonders for me in my setup. Now it sounds much better/nicer and really comes close to the NAD C700. The NAD still sounds a little bit smoother.
I think I'm going for 2x Fosi Audio ZA3 or 2x Fosi Audio V3 mono amplifiers in mono mode. Now I want to pair them with the Wiim Ultra. Maybe also with the SMSL SU-1 DAC if I'm not satisfied with the sound from the earlier mentioned combination.
I now have ordered a Purifi 1ET400A ST from Apollon and a WiiM Pro Plus to use a pre amplifier. I’m very curious as to whether I will actually hear a difference But since Purifi is state of the art in regard to amplifiers I guess this is the ultimate test - WiiM Amp against Purifi
But since Purifi is state of the art in regard to amplifiers I guess this is the ultimate test - WiiM Amp against Purifi I now have tried Room Correction from the WiiM Amp. The out of the box EQ settings are so much better than the measurement that I did with the M10v2 and Dirac. It actually sounds much better now
Looking forward to next week - then I will test my WiiM Pro Plus with the Purifi Amp. I have a feeling that might be the final combination for my speakers…until the WiiM Ultra arrives
Looking forward to next week - then I will test my WiiM Pro Plus with the Purifi Amp. I have a feeling that might be the final combination for my speakers…until the WiiM Ultra arrives
How did it go with the the new Purifi Amp connected to the WiiM Pro Plus?I now have tried Room Correction from the WiiM Amp. The out of the box EQ settings are so much better than the measurement that I did with the M10v2 and Dirac. It actually sounds much better now
Looking forward to next week - then I will test my WiiM Pro Plus with the Purifi Amp. I have a feeling that might be the final combination for my speakers…until the WiiM Ultra arrives
As supposed this turned out to be my final combination. I am using the WiiM Pro Plus with room correction paired to the Apollon 1ET400A Purifi amp. It sounds wonderful.
THOUGH I must admit that I am not really sure if I would be able to differentiate this combination from just a WiiM Amp in a blind test.
I think its also kind of a psychological thing - knowing that it can hardly get better than this. So my brain thinks: Won‘t get better than this anyway!
So I have completely stopped chasing for new equipment and am just hearing music now. Actually that‘s the most important achievement for me.
THOUGH I must admit that I am not really sure if I would be able to differentiate this combination from just a WiiM Amp in a blind test.
I think its also kind of a psychological thing - knowing that it can hardly get better than this. So my brain thinks: Won‘t get better than this anyway!
So I have completely stopped chasing for new equipment and am just hearing music now. Actually that‘s the most important achievement for me.
Thanks for your reply. I've seen you had the Elac BS403.2 in your system than replaced by the BS404.2. I have the BS403 and I'm pretty happy with them. Sometimes I switch on a Martin Logan subwoofer Dynamo 700W to have a fuller bass. How do your BS404.2 compare to the Elac BS403.2? Is the difference only in the lower frequencies? I also have a pair of Elac Carina FS247.4 that obviously have a more satisfying bass.
I first had the 403.2, then the 404.2 and later switched to the 409.2.
Interestingly, I found the switch from 403.2 to 404.2 to be more significant than from 404.2 to the 409.2. While the 403.2 already sound great, the 404.2 actually sounded like floorstands to me. They just sound larger and more mature.
I however switched to the 409.2 because I just was wondering how real floorstands sound. Of course they are better than the 404.2 but the difference is not that large like the switch from 403.2 to 404.2. At least to my ears…
Interestingly, I found the switch from 403.2 to 404.2 to be more significant than from 404.2 to the 409.2. While the 403.2 already sound great, the 404.2 actually sounded like floorstands to me. They just sound larger and more mature.
I however switched to the 409.2 because I just was wondering how real floorstands sound. Of course they are better than the 404.2 but the difference is not that large like the switch from 403.2 to 404.2. At least to my ears…
