WiiM Home app for Windows PC ?

[GaryA26]

Okay all you WiiM users, please help me out here.

I have a WiiM Pro streamer. I currently am using Tidal for my streaming. I have both the Tidal mobile
app and the Tidal app for Windows on my laptop. When using my laptop Tidal app from the laptop, which
is almost always, I can connect to my WiiM Pro through Tidal Connect and then use the Tidal app interface
on my laptop.

So no problem there.

What I would like to do is connect the sound output from my laptop to my WiiM Pro via WiFi since both my
WiiM Pro and laptop are connected to the same WiFi Network. That way I could listen to YouTube music videos
through my home audio system by routing my laptop's output to my WiiM Pro.

The problem is that I can't figure out how to connect my laptop's output to my WiiM Pro via the WiFi connection.
I know I could try to use Bluetooth, but I also have issues with that and that's a completely different kettle of fish.

I have read online that I could connect my laptop's output by downloading the WiiM Home app for Windows
to my laptop.

But I can't find where that app is in order to download it. On WiiM's main download page it seems to only have
the download for the mobile app.

Has anyone here connected your Windows laptop or PC to your WiiM streamer ? And if so, what process did you
undertake to bring that to a success ?

Thanks !

 

[canard]

Inter sample peak
(Many "audiophile" considerations are barely, if at all, measurable... whereas this... is perfectly measurable and a very well-known subject... "juste mis sous le tapis" )

So the idea of digital attenuation upstream of the DAC is a good precaution, and... bit-perfect, "a possible problem"
;-)

(Are you aware that the entire production chain has been carried out in the digital and computer field for a very long time, to an overwhelming majority? ;-) )

 

[canard]

To get off this upsetting topic "isp" bitperfect "true peak overload" etc etc...

Have you been interested in "trendy" approaches like Diretta in recent years?
You seem interested in these topics...
(Thread 'Diretta Audio Protocol' https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/diretta-audio-protocol.9479/)
;-))

 

[TonyE]

This is all irrelevant to his point.

Hmm... so ISP is "Intersample Peaks".. not "Internet Service Provider"

Too many darn acronyms. Gotta be careful when using acronyms... I mean, I'm a networking kind of guy.

Off the cuff, I can see one simple solution. Make the DAC's analog output max output higher than the 0db of the digital mix. Say, +3db of headroom.

My Nitsch DAC outputs a 4vdc max output, which is double what the standard setting for an audio interconnect does.

Done this way you can allow for those peaks.

However, I ought to note that I spent a lot of time with recording digital.. so, yeah, my previous experience matters here as we were encoding analog for digital transmission and then doing the DAC side as well...

I've also spent quite a bit of time with Cubase... so the idea on the recording side it to ensure you always have sufficient headroom for encoding.

I'd guess that with current compressed audio that gets cranked up in volume, ISP is likely. But when recording with high dynamic range, then the problem does not exist.

Seems to be a recording volume problem.

Don't play cr@@p music.

 

[canard]

ISP anticipation must be done upstream of the "DAC" processing in the digital domain...
But there is no shortage of literature on this subject...
Because clipping occurs during this processing... It will depend on the precautions taken, the internal processing, and the relative immunity of the DAC chip to overload, etc. (Tests exist for this.)

The "bit-perfect" "audiophile" stance, when faced with 32-bit and now even 64-bit processing, is "debatable."
;-)

The simple fact of processing the signal the way we do in our Wiim systems imposes an overload indicator, or rather, given that it's an internal DAC... a true peak overload... which explains my insistence...

 

[TonyE]

How is ISP created?

Bad recording techniques?

Somehow, with a 120 db dynamic range, how in the world can you run into this unless the recording gain is set too high?

Don't play Hip Hop...

 

[pjorgenunes]

Inter sample peak
(Many "audiophile" considerations are barely, if at all, measurable... whereas this... is perfectly measurable and a very well-known subject... "juste mis sous le tapis" )

So the idea of digital attenuation upstream of the DAC is a good precaution, and... bit-perfect, "a possible problem"
;-)

(Are you aware that the entire production chain has been carried out in the digital and computer field for a very long time, to an overwhelming majority? ;-) )

I use replaygain "album" and so I have inherent attenuation to my USB DAC. No inter sample peaks above limit.

 

[canard]

Yes
But it's one possible way... but not.. "bit-perfect"
(if we ask him for enough margin)
;-)

 

[slartibartfast]

How is ISP created?

Bad recording techniques?

Somehow, with a 120 db dynamic range, how in the world can you run into this unless the recording gain is set too high?

Don't play Hip Hop...

This article from Benchmark seems to explain it well.

Intersample Overs in CD Recordings

Many oversampled DACs clip when playing CDs. This clipping is caused by a hidden defect in most oversampled DACs. Discover the cause and the cure.

benchmarkmedia.com

 

[pjorgenunes]

Yes
But it's one possible way... but not.. "bit-perfect"
(if we ask him for enough margin)
;-)

Well... bit-perfect is overrated (IMHO)

 

[canard]

(

A look at the music library: How much DAC intersample overhead is enough? True Peak analysis of genres in an eclectic digital collection.

A blog for audiophiles about more objective topics. Measurements of audio gear. Reasonable, realistic, no snakeoil assessment of sound, and equipment.

archimago.blogspot.com

)

 

[harkpabst]

As far as the balance slider is concerned: Leave it in the center position and it won't affect "bit perfect" if you're after this for whatever reason.

It's digital. If not touched, it's simply off.

 

[Ultra1224]

Wow, this thread went off the rails. I use the Ultra as a digital transport only, and it sounds great. I can’t tell the difference with DSP engaged and everything set to flat and DSP off. Stop worrying and enjoy the unit.

If need balance control, use it.

 

[Burnside]

Wow, this thread went off the rails. I use the Ultra as a digital transport only, and it sounds great. I can’t tell the difference with DSP engaged and everything set to flat and DSP off. Stop worrying and enjoy the unit.

If need balance control, use it.

I've moved recent posts back to this original thread - the response to comment #26 was originally posted under the linked thread unnecessarily reviving a six-month old thread.