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Date added isn't in the track metadata that's passed to control points from UPnP servers.
Most servers offer a Recently Added index.
What server are you using?
I'm using Lyrion (previously LMS).
I see what you mean—it'll only read the tags and not the date attributes of the file.
There is a Recently Added index but it's not sorting the way I want it.
In Navidrome, it was fairly manual and easy to create a smart playlist pointed at a folder, sort and list the files in descending date order. It doesn't use tags.
I see what you mean—it'll only read the tags and not the date attributes of the file.
There is a Recently Added index but it's not sorting the way I want it.
In Navidrome, it was fairly manual and easy to create a smart playlist pointed at a folder, sort and list the files in descending date order. It doesn't use tags.
The control point doesn't access the files, the server indexes the files and passes metadata to the control point for display.
If you're using Lyrion you should really use their Material interface for browsing - which you may be able to customise to your liking - or use a proper UPnP server, or Plex, that has a Recently Added index.
Most servers display recently added albums in date added order, is that all you're after, or individual tracks too?
If you're using Lyrion you should really use their Material interface for browsing - which you may be able to customise to your liking - or use a proper UPnP server, or Plex, that has a Recently Added index.
Most servers display recently added albums in date added order, is that all you're after, or individual tracks too?
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Individual tracks unfortunately—I listen to DJ mixes that are long single tracks.
Thanks for the other suggestions, I did have a simple UPnP docker, I'll look into it again.
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I ran into a separate issue: my old LMS would show up fine in Wiim Home, but Lyrion doesn't (even though when I look at Squeezelite recognizes the server IP).
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Any reason why you don't use LMS as the control point?
Have you installed the UPnP/Media Interface plugin?
Why did you move away from Navidrome? I'm using Lightweight Music Server with Symfonium (Android only) which I think would give you what you're after.
I had NO IDEA I needed to install that plugin! Thank you so much. Either the old LMS came with it activated or I forgotten that step, I can see Lyrion in the Wiim Home app now.
I actually still have Navidrome docker running and I use Tempo Android app to stream music on the go. Tempo has the option to cast to Wiim Amp... I wasn't sure what audio quality that is tbh.
And after finding out LMS had become Lyrion, I went down the Lyrion rabbit hole—thinking if Wiim Amp is playing the files off my NAS via wi-fi, the audio quality would be better than casting. (But I was operating on my own uninformed assumption...)
I tried Tempo a few months ago and whilst it's a good looking app it's very limited. Unless you need an open source app I'd try Symfonium as it's a major step up, with UPnP support, Smart playlists, Android Auto support and a tonne of other features.
Works well with WiiM using UPnP (lossless so audio quality is as good as it gets) or Chromecast (up to 96 kHz but not gapless).
I thought the Symfonium developer was very much against ever supporting UPNP?
Edit: viz. “Anyway this is a duplicate there’s no plans to support UPnP as a server as it’s just the worst possible protocol and does not fit the needs for Symfonium.”
It doesn't support UPnP servers but it does support UPnP renderers and Chromecast.
I am trying out Symfonium with my Navidrome docker, and as you suspected, it's smart Recently Added playlist does work as I hoped!
(The odd thing is Symfonium doresn't appear to list the existing smart playlists I already in Navidrome.)
I'm trying to use Symfonium with WiiM and UPnP, can you share how you did it?
I have a working UPnP docker but I don't know how to get Symfonium to detect it or set it up in "manage media providers".
I can't edit my previous post, but I managed to get Symfonium to play through WiiM using UPnP by selecting it from the "cast" icon.
So I have Symfonium connected to my Navidrome docker, Symfonium has its own smart playlist that does what I want, and I'm able to select WiiM as a UPnP device for output. Does this mean the audio quality is "as good as it gets" ? I'm assuming Symfonium is simply "passing the file" to WiiM to play...
So I have Symfonium connected to my Navidrome docker, Symfonium has its own smart playlist that does what I want, and I'm able to select WiiM as a UPnP device for output. Does this mean the audio quality is "as good as it gets" ? I'm assuming Symfonium is simply "passing the file" to WiiM to play...
I don't use Navidrome, but have you tried to Import them from the Playlist tab?
If you click the Casting icon in the top right hand corner it should list all available cast targets. I've enabled Chromecast on my Pro so it lists both Chromecast and UPnP interfaces as well as my Sonos speakers, Nest devices and RoPieee renderer.
Symfonium doesn't support UPnP servers as they lack the metadata and functionality necessary to provide a feature rich interface, but it does support the majority of mainstream music servers.
The control point (Symfonium) passes the URL of the track to be played to the renderer, which pulls it directly from the server.
As long as you haven't configured Navidrome to perform any transcoding, the player receives the raw file, with WiiM supporting up to 24/192.
Symfonium needs to stay active in order to feed WiiM the next track URL in the playlist.
It's very similar to Chromecast except it's gapless and supports higher resolutions.
I'd also like to see random order which would would act as a workaround for playing large playlists in shuffle mode.
Ah, I just discovered the playlist import option and imported my Navidrome smart playlist!
Re. UpnP, I misunderstood and got confused. I didn't have to connect to a UpnP server, but I wanted to connect to WiiM via UPnP.
Symfonium seems to be perfect for my needs and I've customized the homepage to my liking (displays the imported Navidrome playlist).
I'm using it as a "frontend" for Navidrome with more casting options than Tempo.
Thank you so much for suggesting it!
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