Add pre gain setting to presets

[DazST]

Hi folks, I'd love to see pre-gain settings added as a customisable option in smart presets. As someone who uses the ultra for both 2.1 stereo and headphones (with PEQ) it's a bit of a pain to have keep manually adjusting pre-gain settings.
What say you?

 

[Krabin]

The solution is simple. Many people have been requesting it, and I have no clue why it's so difficult for them to add (this is the first PEQ I've used that doesn't have it):
1 - Add a pregain parameter to the EQ that saves with each custom preset.
2 - Add a maximum digital gain indicator to the graph with the actual calculated maximum digital gain. This is how much we'll lower the pregain by.
3 - To make this even easier, there could be an auto-gain optional feature (off by default) that automatically adjusts the pregain to make the maximum digital gain 0dBFS (or user defined value: -1, -2, -3, -6 dBFS)

 

[Burnside]

It's not necessarily difficult for them to add but like all feature requests it'll depend on how many people have actually submitted requests for it and how many higher priority requests are in the development queue ahead of it. It may be important enough for you to have submitted a ticket but other than WiiM, we don't know where it might be in that queue.

 

[dominikz]

The solution is simple. Many people have been requesting it, and I have no clue why it's so difficult for them to add:
1 - Add a pregain parameter to the EQ that saves with each custom preset.
2 - Add a maximum digital gain indicator to the graph with the actual calculated maximum digital gain. This is how much we'll lower the pregain by.
3 - To make this even easier, there could be an auto-gain option that automatically adjusts the pregain to make the maximum digital gain 0dBFS (or user defined value: -1, -2, -3, -6 dBFS)

While I personally agree with these points, I'd just like to point out that the third one could be problematic in case auto-gain is forced instead of made configurable.
IMHO if EQ auto-gain option is ever introduced, it should absolutely be made optional (i.e. have an on/off switch) and also have the possibility to be overridden with user-defined manual pre-gain values (like you already suggested).

Here's a few examples where forced auto-gain might be undesired:

1. Backward (in)compatibility
   • Current users of EQ might not want their existing system to start behaving differently (i.e. decrease in level) after a new feature (auto-gain) is introduced.
2. If one wants to compare how two different EQ profiles sound.
   • If the two profiles result in different auto-gain values the overall track loudness would change accordingly when changing the EQ profile - making the comparison meaningless. I.e. it only makes sense to listen to EQ profiles with identical pre-gain settings.
3. As mentioned in my previous post, in cases where we don't regularly max-out output level, adding auto-gain would just decrease the overall output level without really bringing much benefit.

 

[Krabin]

While I personally agree with these points, I'd just like to point out that the third one could be problematic in case auto-gain is forced instead of made configurable.
IMHO if EQ auto-gain option is ever introduced, it should absolutely be made optional (i.e. have an on/off switch) and also have the possibility to be overridden with user-defined manual pre-gain values (like you already suggested).

Here's a few examples where forced auto-gain might be undesired:

1. Backward (in)compatibility
   • Current users of EQ might not want their existing system to start behaving differently (i.e. decrease in level) after a new feature (auto-gain) is introduced.
2. If one wants to compare how two different EQ profiles sound.
   • If the two profiles result in different auto-gain values the overall track loudness would change accordingly when changing the EQ profile - making the comparison meaningless. I.e. it only makes sense to listen to EQ profiles with identical pre-gain settings.
3. As mentioned in my previous post, in cases where we don't regularly max-out output level, adding auto-gain would just decrease the overall output level without really bringing much benefit.

I completely agree, definitely optional.