joostdh
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The “Works with AirPlay” logo is on the box. I’m pretty sure it can’t legally be there without certification.
Airplay 2 : Wiim Pro Plus vs Wiim Amp
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You can ask here but you will not receive an exhaustive explanation. At some point the relationship between Apple and WiiM suffered somehow. The WiiM Ultra was the first product to not receive AirPlay certification. See WiiM's statement on this subject here:
WiiM Ultra and No AirPlay
Hi WiiM Community, We always strive to be transparent with this forum, sharing early product announcements, specifications, and addressing your concerns and questions. We realize the lack of availability of AirPlay in the WiiM Ultra has caused confusion and we apologize for that. The WiiM Ultra...
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Those who know what's happened in more detail are certainly not allowed to do so. The rest of us can only speculate. Cost saving for the two most expensive WiiM products so far (Ultra and Amp Pro) seems unlikely to me. WiiM actively trying to not please Apple users doesn't sound more convincing.
For now we just have to accept the facts: No AirPlay for WiiM Amp Pro and for WiiM Ultra.
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I have a feeling this all relates to the Airplay Transmitter feature that was removed a few months ago. I don’t believe Apple allows officially licensed products to transmit over Airplay, only their own. They could have a hard time getting certification now.You can ask here but you will not receive an exhaustive explanation. At some point the relationship between Apple and WiiM suffered somehow. The WiiM Ultra was the first product to not receive AirPlay certification. See WiiM's statement on this subject here:
WiiM Ultra and No AirPlay
Hi WiiM Community, We always strive to be transparent with this forum, sharing early product announcements, specifications, and addressing your concerns and questions. We realize the lack of availability of AirPlay in the WiiM Ultra has caused confusion and we apologize for that. The WiiM Ultra...
Those who know what's happened in more detail are certainly not allowed to do so. The rest of us can only speculate. Cost saving for the two most expensive WiiM products so far (Ultra and Amp Pro) seems unlikely to me. WiiM actively trying to not please Apple users doesn't sound more convincing.
For now we just have to accept the facts: No AirPlay for WiiM Amp Pro and for WiiM Ultra.
Thank you very much!
My bad, I didn't notice that logo on the box.
This is indeed the "smoking gun" I was looking for.
But now I would be very curious to know why Apple does not also certify the Ultra and the Amp Pro!
gratefulwatcher
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I have thought the same. Let’s hope that’s not the case.
I have a personal opinion and suspicion here (and there are a couple more aspects to this), but any further discussion is pointless.
The explanation in the link says that they thought they could provide Airplay, but a hardware limitation prevented it, and they decided to not delay the product to fix it. Translation, there was a mistake in the hardware design.You can ask here but you will not receive an exhaustive explanation. At some point the relationship between Apple and WiiM suffered somehow. The WiiM Ultra was the first product to not receive AirPlay certification. See WiiM's statement on this subject here:
WiiM Ultra and No AirPlay
Hi WiiM Community, We always strive to be transparent with this forum, sharing early product announcements, specifications, and addressing your concerns and questions. We realize the lack of availability of AirPlay in the WiiM Ultra has caused confusion and we apologize for that. The WiiM Ultra...
Those who know what's happened in more detail are certainly not allowed to do so. The rest of us can only speculate. Cost saving for the two most expensive WiiM products so far (Ultra and Amp Pro) seems unlikely to me. WiiM actively trying to not please Apple users doesn't sound more convincing.
For now we just have to accept the facts: No AirPlay for WiiM Amp Pro and for WiiM Ultra.
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No, that is not the case (and if it was, this surely had been corrected for the Amp Pro). Technically, the Ultra does support AirPlay, but it's not allowed to. I didn't want to talk about this over and over again, but since speculation comes up over and over again, here comes more food for thought: They mentioned the missing MFi chip. What do you think how many of the previous products do incorporate this chip? Hint: Searching the Internet you will find that Apple did certify either hardware or software based solutions in the past. But it's totally up to them how they deal with this.
I think that they reused the custom integrated circuit rather than redesigning it.So they made the same mistake again for the amp pro?
slartibartfast
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The chip that enables Airplay is a separate IC
ScratsAcorn
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I don’t believe they are officially licensed by Apple. They even go as far as to say they have no relationship with Apple on their “Partners” page. Airplay on Roon is hacked together and isn’t built with any API supplied from Apple.
Yeah, I’m aware of that, but what they do is supposedly allowable viz. “Apple does not license Airplay as a sender, but you are free to implement it on your own. In the US, the DMCA allows for reverse engineering for compatibility purposes as long as you do not need to break encryption”
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Oh I see what you are saying. I could still see Apple not being happy with someone implementing it, even if it’s legal.
If it’s legal, Apple can be as unhappy as they want but couldn’t reasonably do anything about it - or should I phrase that as “do anything reasonable about it”
But they might still decide to do something unreasonable about it if the company they're dealing with is of limited importance to the market.If it’s legal, Apple can be as unhappy as they want but couldn’t reasonably do anything about it - or should I phrase that as “do anything reasonable about it”
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