Autonomous operation of wiim amp with application without wi fi.

[monoblok]

Hello, dear developers! Is it possible to make the application and amp work autonomously without wi-fi? I really want to use only a USB drive with my music collection.

Thanks for your answer!

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[Burnside]

Firstly, please post in English to save everyone having to translate it themselves

I guess you mean your request is not to rely on internet connectivity as I can’t see how the app could work without hi fi, but otherwise I see your point.

 

[hgo58]

Firstly, please post in English to save everyone having to translate it themselves

I guess you mean your request is not to rely on internet connectivity as I can’t see how the app could work without hi fi, but otherwise I see your point.

Internet or generally network?
The WiiM works without Internet but of course it needs a local network (WiFi or Ethernet) for WiiM Home App access. That is the only way to select tracks from the USB.

I think that has been discussed before.

@monoblok Please note that this is a user forum, not a WiiM Support site.

 

[harkpabst]

The request is not totally unreasonable. Other brands have been using e.g. purely Bluetooth based communication between app and device.

It's not impossible, but clearly against the general route WiiM goes (as mainly a producer of network streaming products).

 

[Wiimer]

Hello, dear developers! Is it possible to make the application and amp work autonomously without wi-fi? I really want to use only a USB drive with my music collection.

Thanks for your answer!

Edit: Translated by Moderator

If you have 2 phones (or tablets), enable the Wi-Fi hotspot on "phone (A)" and connect "phone (B)" and WiiM to "phone (A)" Wi-Fi.

Install the WiiM home app on "phone (B)" to setup and control the WiiM.

(Sorry if this is not what you want to do.)

 

[hgo58]

If you have 2 phones (or tablets), enable the Wi-Fi hotspot on "phone (A)" and connect "phone (B)" and WiiM to "phone (A)" Wi-Fi.

Install the WiiM home app on "phone (B)" to setup and control the WiiM.

(Sorry if this is not what you want to do.)

Yes. This is described in the WiiM FAQ "How to Connect Your WiiM Device to a Mobile Hotspot".

 

[Burnside]

Yes. This is described in the WiiM FAQ "How to Connect Your WiiM Device to a Mobile Hotspot".

They probably did that after @Wiimer first posted about it

 

[Wiimer]

They probably did that after @Wiimer first posted about it

But I think I am most likely misreading the OP's question. I honestly not sure .

 

[hgo58]

But I think I am most likely misreading the OP's question. I honestly not sure .

Maybe thinking of using uPnP over Bluetooth? That would be the only way but of course not supported.

 

[monoblok]

Firstly, please post in English to save everyone having to translate it themselves

I guess you mean your request is not to rely on internet connectivity as I can’t see how the app could work without hi fi, but otherwise I see your point.

 

[Zap Rekowski]

My routers (Fritz!Box 7590 with Internet access + 2 x Fritz!Box 7490 set up as repeaters) offer the option of prohibiting Internet-enabled devices from accessing the Internet - this is called “parental control”. This enabled me to prevent the Samsung printer and the QNAP NAS to calling home.
Check your router settings to see if you can make similar settings. It is important that you assign fixed IP addresses to the relevant devices.

 

[harkpabst]

Guys, @monoblok explicitly asked for a way to use play music from a USB stick "without wi-fi", not "without Internet". We don't know the reasons yet, but let's assume he has his reasons.

It's not possible and it's unlikely that it will ever be possible. It's not technically impossible, it's just not in line with WiiM's direction and their market position.

The next best thing is to use any device (such as another smartphone or tablet) that can create its own Wi-Fi. If this isn't an option then the WiiM Amp is simply not the right device for the task at hand.

 

[monoblok]

Thank you so much for your feedback on my post! Sorry for my English, I'm writing through an online translator. the essence of my question is whether there is such an opportunity to control amp using an application without using the network at all. I would really like to be able to use a smartphone with an app as a remote control. select tracks on a USB storage device. unfortunately, I understood from your answers that this cannot be done. maybe the developers will be able to make such an option. in my opinion, this will greatly expand the functionality of the device. Thanks for the answers. P.S. I hope the wiim engineers read my post.

 

[Zap Rekowski]

Guys, @monoblok explicitly asked for a way to use play music from a USB stick "without wi-fi", not "without Internet". We don't know the reasons yet, but let's assume he has his reasons.

It's not possible and it's unlikely that it will ever be possible. It's not technically impossible, it's just not in line with WiiM's direction and their market position.

The next best thing is to use any device (such as another smartphone or tablet) that can create its own Wi-Fi. If this isn't an option then the WiiM Amp is simply not the right device for the task at hand.

But here you are contradicting yourself, because your solution does not exclude WLAN either, right? WLAN or a wireless connection is a prerequisite for the project in any case, so my suggestion is to take the easy-to-implement detour via the router (and exclude the devices from the Internet). Whatever the reason for this may be.

 

[harkpabst]

But here you are contradicting yourself, because your solution does not exclude WLAN either, right? WLAN or a wireless connection is a prerequisite for the project in any case, so my suggestion is to take the easy-to-implement detour via the router (and exclude the devices from the Internet). Whatever the reason for this may be.

As I said: Bluetooth. No Wi-Fi.

It would be possible in theory, but I don't see it coming. The WiiM Home app is primarily build to stream from network sources. Playing files from a locally attached is just a niche use case and the way it is implemented fully relies on network functionality.

Edit:
I did not intend to imply that there was any other solution not involving Wi-Fi. I just wanted to mention that WiiM could add functionality to control the Amp fully through Bluetooth if no network is available. But this is such an edge case that I cannot imagine them putting any effort it it.

 

[Zap Rekowski]

...it could be a separate direct connection with its own access point via WLAN. Smartphone connects directly to the amp (there is only this connection, none with other networks). I was able to realize this direct connection with the Panasonic-Qualcomm devices at the time.
With a streamer that makes it its business to access streaming services, however, a dubious project

 

[hgo58]

...it could be a separate direct connection with its own access point via WLAN. Smartphone connects directly to the amp (there is only this connection, none with other networks). I was able to realize this direct connection with the Panasonic-Qualcomm devices at the time.
With a streamer that makes it its business to access streaming services, however, a dubious project

That is actually what the WiiM Home App do when setting up the WiiM device. The device has its own WiFi AP. But that is still WiFi!

I think WiiM could change the software to use this if no other network is configured but I don't see the point.

 

[harkpabst]

I think WiiM could change the software to use this if no other network is configured but I don't see the point.

That'd be another option and I think the point is pretty clear: You could be using the USB music service with no other Wi-Fi network available. You could also directly switch back and forth to the Line Input (instead of having to press the source button on the remote several times and trying to remember the right LED colour).

It's probably still more complicated than Bluetooth communication. And I still don't think WiiM are really considering this use case.

 

[hgo58]

That'd be another option and I think the point is pretty clear: You could be using the USB music service with no other Wi-Fi network available. You could also directly switch back and forth to the Line Input (instead of having to press the source button on the remote several times and trying to remember the right LED colour).

It's probably still more complicated than Bluetooth communication. And I still don't think WiiM are really considering this use case.

This will not be that complicated as it is "just" about network configuration. The uPnP would still be available. With Bluetooth they will need a new protocol.

I do however not see the use case. If you buy a streamer device it will of course need a network and usually also Internet access. To just play from files use a PC with a sound card.

 

[harkpabst]

I do however not see the use case. If you buy a streamer device it will of course need a network and usually also Internet access. To just play from files use a PC with a sound card.

People are buying this as an integrated amplifier with streaming functions. Then they learn it doesn't work this way. I honestly don't see how you cannot see that use case.