Features wanted in a Wiim Ultra 2

[slartibartfast]

I would say that the ultra sub adjustments affect the fronts too much and is marginal at best.

There is a setting to allow the main speakers to play bass so the fronts don't need to be affected at all.

 

[Kblade97]

User experience

Genuine question, but what tangible and meaningful improvement would a faster CPU provide over the current ultra?

Genuine,

There is a setting to allow the main speakers to play bass so the fronts don't need to be affected Trued that still effects the mains

There is a setting to allow the main speakers to play bass so the fronts don't need to be affected at all.

There is a setting to allow the main speakers to play bass so the fronts don't need to be affected at all.

Tried it it still affects the fronts. Also the filter is marginal at best. My Rel’s Stadium 3s filter is far superior

 

[harkpabst]

Tried it it still affects the fronts. Also the filter is marginal at best. My Rel’s Stadium 3s filter is far superior

In which way "marginal" or "superior"?

The WiiM Ultra employs a 4th order LR filter, which is state of the art.

 

[Mr Ee]

Genuine question, but what tangible and meaningful improvement would a faster CPU provide over the current ultra?

A smoother, more responsive spectrum analyser?

 

[hgo58]

A smoother, more responsive spectrum analyser?

And simultaneous multiple outputs?

Additional memory should go with it to also allow more services.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

Would you expect that on a pure transport? I wouldn’t expect a sub out on a CD transport for example…

Whether one expects it on a 'pure transport' or not isn't the point, I feel.

The point is, the T-8 is a streamer without a sub out. Yes, it's a digital out rather than analogue, so a sub out is maybe not to be expected in that respect, but then logically you have to simultaniously note that it's a streamer without a DAC.

And the point now becomes that you're relying on something else you own (something else you have to pay for) outside the T-8 for bass management. As well as replying on something else you own (something else you have to pay for) to turn the streamed 0s and 1s into analogue sound.

And there are no digital inputs. So you need something else (a pre-amp, something else you have to pay for) if you want to
listen to anything other than a streamer.

So comparing the Ultra to the T-8 and saying the latter is a 'pure streamer' as if that's a benefit is misleading. It's more accurate to say the T-8 is like the Ultra, except that it lacks a pre-amp, DAC, digital inputs, analogue inputs, and bass management, so is specced far, far short of the Ultra.

And sound-wise the Ultra is transparent to the source, so there's no sonic improvement possible with the T-8.

Put yet another way, if you buy the T-8 over he Ultra you're paying a lot more, and getting less for your money.

Which I believe is the point I made to begin with, only far more succinctly, as I felt all this detail was surlus to requirements, due to being blindingly obvious.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

There’s more than one way to hook up subs dude. So no I wouldn’t, my subs are driven by the output transformers on my amp, So no. I would say that the ultra sub adjustments affect the fronts too much and is marginal at best. Leave the sub to the integrated and the subs crossover. MY OPINION

Well 'dude' my opinion is my own, too.

Now there's opinion, and there's fact.

The fact that the T-8 doesn't do much of what the Ultra does isn't opinion though, that's just fact.

That the sub out on your system may in some ways sound better to you than the Ultra is indeed subjective opinion. But it's certainly not born out by the objective facts, which say the Ultra outputs transparent to the source.

 

[Kblade97]

In which way "marginal" or "superior"?

The WiiM Ultra employs a 4th order LR filter, which is state of the art.

Sound, course and fine adjustments. The adjustment on the Rel Stadium three are phenomenal and the filter is phenomenal. No surfacemount technology is going to compete with it. Especially since they haven’t fixed the problem with the mains being affected. I tried running them full range. It does not work when you start making adjustments with the crossover it still affects the fronts. Also, the adjustments are not fine enough and don’t go low enough.

 

[Kblade97]

Well 'dude' my opinion is my own, too.

Now there's opinion, and there's fact.

The fact that the T-8 doesn't do much of what the Ultra does isn't opinion though, that's just fact.

That the sub out on your system may in some ways sound better to you than the Ultra is indeed subjective opinion. But it's certainly not born out by the objective facts, which say the Ultra outputs transparent to the source.

Have you heard T8?

 

[slartibartfast]

Sound, course and fine adjustments. The adjustment on the Rel Stadium three are phenomenal and the filter is phenomenal. No surfacemount technology is going to compete with it. Especially since they haven’t fixed the problem with the mains being affected. I tried running them full range. It does not work when you start making adjustments with the crossover it still affects the fronts. Also, the adjustments are not fine enough and don’t go low enough.

If you think the filter affects the main speakers when bypassed then report the issue to WiiM and see what they say about it.

 

[mlsstl]

Have you heard T8?

I'd just comment that you're not hearing the T8 by itself. It is delivering 1s & 0s from its output. The analog sound you are hearing is coming from whatever external DAC, preamp and other devices you are using.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

Have you heard T8?

I know this might do your head in, but no, and I don't have to.

In the same way I don't need to try snake oil to cure my knee.

In the same way that I don't need to go up in a space ship and search for a golden teapot orbitting within our solar system, because I know it's not there.

There are frequencies and differences caused to sound by inaccurate frequency variation which we can hear, and those which we can't.

There are level of noise relative to the signal which we can hear, and those which are too quite to hear.

There's distortion of a level which w can hear, and below which level we can't hear.

And once a product has full 20Hz-20kHz frequecy range, flat, distortion and noise below certain levels, then I don't have to go out and listen to every single such product on the planet to prove what we already know, that they'll sound transparentt to the source.

Whether I've heard the T-8 or not could not be less relevant.

 

[harkpabst]

Sound, course and fine adjustments. The adjustment on the Rel Stadium three are phenomenal and the filter is phenomenal. No surfacemount technology is going to compete with it. Especially since they haven’t fixed the problem with the mains being affected. I tried running them full range. It does not work when you start making adjustments with the crossover it still affects the fronts. Also, the adjustments are not fine enough and don’t go low enough.

Ok, so it's all down to your golden ears?

That tells me how to file the complaints about these "issues".

 

[JAB]

In real life the percentage of dogmatics seems to be never so high as in an audio forum.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

In real life the percentage of dogmatics seems to be never so high as in an audio forum.

It's fine being dogmatic, as long as you're right, of course.

James O'Brien has a saying on his call in show, when people call in to say something is just his opinion, "That's not opinion, that's just counting" It's fine to be dogmatic about 1+1=2.

 

[Kblade97]

I know this might do your head in, but no, and I don't have to.

In the same way I don't need to try snake oil to cure my knee.

In the same way that I don't need to go up in a space ship and search for a golden teapot orbitting within our solar system, because I know it's not there.

There are frequencies and differences caused to sound by inaccurate frequency variation which we can hear, and those which we can't.

There are level of noise relative to the signal which we can hear, and those which are too quite to hear.

There's distortion of a level which w can hear, and below which level we can't hear.

And once a product has full 20Hz-20kHz frequecy range, flat, distortion and noise below certain levels, then I don't have to go out and listen to every single such product on the planet to prove what we already know, that they'll sound transparentt to the source.

Whether I've heard the T-8 or not could not be less relevant.

Just like I’m not going to take the time to read your rant against me, not even worth it. Seems to be a lot of guys on here that are “know it all more than everybody. Dude I just said what I wanted. I don’t need your snooty know at all reply. I’ll just chalk it up if you don’t know what you’re talking about and move on.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Please keep things civil, we might not all agree on the same things, but there is nothing gained from having a rant on the forum.

 

[Kblade97]

Please keep things civil, we might not all agree on the same things, but there is nothing gained from having a rant on the forum.

Wait, I’m the one ranting, Seriously!

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Wait, I’m the one ranting, Seriously!

You have just made a big edit to your previous post.

 

[Kblade97]

You have just made a big edit to your previous post.

I did not make a big edit. Can I get in trouble for editing?