It's time to evolve into new Flagship

[Goodnews]

I'm having a hard time interpreting this.

Are you just saying that in your opinion, open-baffle/dipole speakers should ideally be paired to an open-baffle/dipole subwoofer?

-Ed

Considering that the Magnepan drops steeply from 100 Hz and the dipole has a flat frequency response from ~ 250 Hz, the question arises as to how high the woofer crossover frequency should be.
THAT was the problem I had with the Martin Logan hybrid.

The size of the foil in the LSR alone limits it to < 150 Hz.
If you now add a woofer, the signal is delivered in mono for left/right.

Für mich sieht so eine Kombination Folien Dipol / Konus Dipol ( Bass ) aus

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This raises the question of why the bass compartment needs to be so high when a small bass cube should be the solution.

 

[hgo58]

Considering that the Magnepan drops steeply from 100 Hz and the dipole has a flat frequency response from ~ 250 Hz, the question arises as to how high the woofer crossover frequency should be.
THAT was the problem I had with the Martin Logan hybrid.

The size of the foil in the LSR alone limits it to < 150 Hz.
If you now add a woofer, the signal is delivered in mono for left/right.

Für mich sieht so eine Kombination Folien Dipol / Konus Dipol ( Bass ) aus

purist

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This raises the question of why the bass compartment needs to be so high when a small bass cube should be the solution.

How is this related to the subject of this thread?

 

[canard]

Considering that the Magnepan drops steeply from 100 Hz and the dipole has a flat frequency response from ~ 250 Hz, the question arises as to how high the woofer crossover frequency should be.
THAT was the problem I had with the Martin Logan hybrid.

The size of the foil in the LSR alone limits it to < 150 Hz.
If you now add a woofer, the signal is delivered in mono for left/right.

Für mich sieht so eine Kombination Folien Dipol / Konus Dipol ( Bass ) aus

purist

Entdecke Purist: die Software- und Serverlösung für Audiophile. Nahtlose Hi-Res-Audio-Integration, weltweites Radio, personalisierte Playlists, CD-Ripping und SMART-Funktionen bringen deine Musiksammlung auf ein neues Klangniveau.

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This raises the question of why the bass compartment needs to be so high when a small bass cube should be the solution.

I can't help but think of the old IRS Infinity, and Elipson Staff balls type ortf etc from the 60s/70s (then polyester from the 80s)

(There is no approach specific to ESL quads, no lag line...no? ;-))
Have you looked at the Ripole ,h-frame etc Sub?
(There are some "special" approaches, heavily reliant on DSP filtering and Class D amplification, that seem to become interesting with esl etc... ;-) )
;-)

 

[CliffyBC]

It's been almost a year and a half since I purchased my beloved Wiim Ultra. In this time, Wiim has expanded its product range by introducing many new products such as amplifiers, subs, and speakers. As for the streamer range, I think now is the time to complete the line, as other companies have done, raising the bar and introducing the Wiim flagship with all the experience gained with the Mini, PRO, Pro Plus, and Ultra. I think the time has come to look at a Wiim Apex, Zenith, Signature, Reference, Master, or Absolute streamer. In short, choose the name that best represents you, but the point is that, given the quality of the Wiim world and what competitors are putting on the market, I think it's necessary for Wiim to introduce a new flagship streamer. I'm in love with their products, but now I want a streamer without compromises and I'd be willing to pay a lot of money for it. I've said to myself many times: how much I would like the hardware quality of product X with the software quality of the Ultra. Am I the only one who thinks this, or do I have some friends?

 

[CliffyBC]

I bought my Ultra because it would do what I wanted at a real good price.
The improvements to the unit since I purchased it have been a welcome bonus which I didn't expect.
But it's just a budget streamer at the end of the day, something that I don't really think about. A bit like a kettle or electric iron, I guess. I can't really see Wiim producing high end gear that would excite me at all, if I wanted high end I would look elsewhere.

 

[claudia.bailey]

It's been almost a year and a half since I purchased my beloved Wiim Ultra. In this time, Wiim has expanded its product range by introducing many new products such as amplifiers, subs, and speakers. As for the streamer range, I think now is the time to complete the line, as other companies have done, raising the bar and introducing the Wiim flagship with all the experience gained with the Mini, PRO, Pro Plus, and Ultra. I think the time has come to look at a Wiim Apex, Zenith, Signature, Reference, Master, or Absolute streamer. In short, choose the name that best represents you, but the point is that, given the quality of the Wiim world and what competitors are putting on the market, I think it's necessary for Wiim to introduce a new flagship streamer. I'm in love with their products, but now I want a streamer without compromises and I'd be willing to pay a lot of money for it. I've said to myself many times: how much I would like the hardware quality of product X with the software quality of the Ultra. Am I the only one who thinks this, or do I have some friends?

I don't believe it's necessary at all. However, I understand how people would like that. There are a million streamers out there at different price points. WiiM has set itself apart by having great software that goes with its very reasonable price point. Having a luxury streamer and probably a way more expensive product that only some could afford is not really sticking to their mission statement. I feel that their product range is quite vast at the moment. And if they were to go to the luxury line, they would need to create a sub-brand.

 

[Burnside]

I don't believe it's necessary at all. However, I understand how people would like that. There are a million streamers out there at different price points. WiiM has set itself apart by having great software that goes with its very reasonable price point. Having a luxury streamer and probably a way more expensive product that only some could afford is not really sticking to their mission statement. I feel that their product range is quite vast at the moment. And if they were to go to the luxury line, they would need to create a sub-brand.

I take your point about a sub or separate brand. I’ve come across individual dealers who are quite snobbish about WiiM gear because of its price and perhaps build quality who write them off as “poor transports”. I suspect it’s because they haven’t really tried them or don’t want to because they’re not milled out of a solid aluminium block and weigh a tonne

 

[Goodnews]

How is this related to the subject of this thread?

The context arises from the statement that it sounds fantastic AND the listening room is very good.

This is a statement about the perception of audio setups, thus closing the circle to a feature to-do list of what could/should be implemented in a higher-quality Wiim Ultra

I'll take the liberty of calling this establishing consensus, the prerequisite for dialogue.

 

[hgo58]

The context arises from the statement that it sounds fantastic AND the listening room is very good.

This is a statement about the perception of audio setups, thus closing the circle to a feature to-do list of what could/should be implemented in a higher-quality Wiim Ultra

I'll take the liberty of calling this establishing consensus, the prerequisite for dialogue.

So setting subwoofer crossover frequency is part of the high-end/high-cost discussion?

Ok. I will leave you discussing that. I don't need a expensive device any way.

 

[taube Taube]

The context arises from the statement that it sounds fantastic AND the listening room is very good.

This is a statement about the perception of audio setups, thus closing the circle to a feature to-do list of what could/should be implemented in a higher-quality Wiim Ultra

I'll take the liberty of calling this establishing consensus, the prerequisite for dialogue.

Nonsense! You're changing the subject! It's impossible to talk about everything at once.

 

[taube Taube]

I don't believe it's necessary at all. However, I understand how people would like that. There are a million streamers out there at different price points. WiiM has set itself apart by having great software that goes with its very reasonable price point. Having a luxury streamer and probably a way more expensive product that only some could afford is not really sticking to their mission statement. I feel that their product range is quite vast at the moment. And if they were to go to the luxury line, they would need to create a sub-brand.

We're talking about a new flagship, not a luxury line. No one's calling for a multi-thousand-dollar product, but rather for improved hardware at a reasonable price. Again, your logic is strange: if Wiim has top software, then it doesn't need good hardware?

 

[Goodnews]

Nonsense! You're changing the subject! It's impossible to talk about everything at once.

What you call nonsense means leaving the sub output in mono as before.
The same applies to leaving the line output explicitly in RCA version.

Features that don't cost the earth to implement.
Looking at the thread, the rule is ...not needed.

Looking at the DSP software, there is an alternative in XLR from the studio sector for around €270.

This means that the Wiim Ultra with XLR output and the external DSP box would be significantly better in this regard. Cost including Wiim Ultra & DSP software = €669.

This is ridiculously cheap compared to what other streamers with very good DSP implementation cost.


Far from nonsense.

 

[taube Taube]

What you call nonsense means leaving the sub output in mono as before.
The same applies to leaving the line output explicitly in RCA version.

Features that don't cost the earth to implement.
Looking at the thread, the rule is ...not needed.

Looking at the DSP software, there is an alternative in XLR from the studio sector for around €270.

This means that the Wiim Ultra with XLR output and the external DSP box would be significantly better in this regard. Cost including Wiim Ultra & DSP software = €669.

This is ridiculously cheap compared to what other streamers with very good DSP implementation cost.


Far from nonsense.

My friend, you could have just written, "I want a stereo output for a subwoofer, DSP, and XLR." Without discussing personal circumstances.

 

[Wiimer]

Did you eat a strange mushroom?

 

[claudia.bailey]

We're talking about a new flagship, not a luxury line. No one's calling for a multi-thousand-dollar product, but rather for improved hardware at a reasonable price. Again, your logic is strange: if Wiim has top software, then it doesn't need good hardware?

I think you are totally missing what I am saying. I believe Flatron 7 was talking about making a flagship, and he stated that he would be willing to pay a lot of money for it. (That's in his comments.) If that's the case, wouldn't it stop being reasonably priced?

 

[taube Taube]

I think you are totally missing what I am saying. I believe Flatron 7 was talking about making a flagship, and he stated that he would be willing to pay a lot of money for it. (That's in his comments.) If that's the case, wouldn't it stop being reasonably priced?

What's unclear here? The price was mentioned, 1000-2000. Is that luxury, in your opinion? I also find 2000 too expensive, but why not anything under 1000? That's the cost price.

 

[Aquaman]

Let‘s cut the crap.
A Mini with a very decent if not top tier DAC and HDMI eARC for TV integration.
This would cover the needs of 99% of the clientele of WiiM.

 

[taube Taube]

Let‘s cut the crap.
A Mini with a very decent if not top tier DAC and HDMI eARC for TV integration.
This would cover the needs of 99% of the clientele of WiiM.

Dreams... Just not the mini, its processor is weak.

 

[claudia.bailey]

What's unclear here? The price was mentioned, 1000-2000. Is that luxury, in your opinion? I also find 2000 too expensive, but why not anything under 1000? That's the cost price.

£1,000-2,000 for a company that thus far has nothing priced at even £600 would be considered a lot. I know in hi-fi some people spend way more on cables. But let's be honest, the reason people like WiiM in part is because they are cheaper than most. £349 is a buy that you don't have to think too hard about for a lot of people; however, that would change at £1,000-2,000, and yes, I am aware this is not luxury in hifi, but for a lot of people. That price is. The point of their products is that anyone can experience them. Have a great day

 

[taube Taube]

Have a great day

Thank you very much, Claudia, and have a nice day to you too!

Please understand, no one is calling for discontinuing current products. You're absolutely right. But cheap doesn't mean bad, and the Wiim proved that. Flagships are made for image, so it could be even better. Believe me, for the right price, many will buy them, and they'll even switch from other brands. To each according to their capabilities and needs.