Music Search Categories Are Basic Only

[J-Jay]

The Music search categories in Wiim Home app are: Artists, Albums, Genres, Years, New Music and Music Folder. This is fine for most popular and jazz music libraries, My music collection contains those, but most of my large collection is Classical. I stream from Lyrion Music Server and it's configured with these additional search categories: TWO Artist search categories, Album Artists and All Artists; Composers; Classical Music by Conductor.

I use the Squeezelite option in the Wiim Home app. Shouldn't Squeezelite mirror the search categories in LMS? If so, why do the additional search categories not show in the Wiim Home app? They do show in other LMS clients like iPeng and Squeezepad. Is the Wiim Home app internally configured to limit the search categories? The additional search categories are really rock bottom BASIC for classical music.

I realize some classical music collectors want even more complex, highly specific search categories, but most (including myself) would be happy with the basic additional categories I've listed in the first paragraph that are already configured in LMS.

 

[slartibartfast]

The Music search categories in Wiim Home app are: Artists, Albums, Genres, Years, New Music and Music Folder. This is fine for most popular and jazz music libraries, My music collection contains those, but most of my large collection is Classical. I stream from Lyrion Music Server and it's configured with these additional search categories: TWO Artist search categories, Album Artists and All Artists; Composers; Classical Music by Conductor.

I use the Squeezelite option in the Wiim Home app. Shouldn't Squeezelite mirror the search categories in LMS? If so, why do the additional search categories not show in the Wiim Home app? They do show in other LMS clients like iPeng and Squeezepad. Is the Wiim Home app internally configured to limit the search categories? The additional search categories are really rock bottom BASIC for classical music.

I realize some classical music collectors want even more complex, highly specific search categories, but most (including myself) would be happy with the basic additional categories I've listed in the first paragraph that are already configured in LMS.

If you are using LMS why are you using the WiiM Home app as a controller when there is no need? Just use LMS to control playback.

 

[simbun]

I stream from Lyrion Music Server and it's configured with these additional search categories: TWO Artist search categories, Album Artists and All Artists; Composers; Classical Music by Conductor.

The indexes are defined by the server not the control point.
The free version of MinimServer includes an Album Artist, Artist and Composer index but only the licensed version can be configured to include Conductor.

 

[Burnside]

The squeezelite client in WiiM device allows it to perform as a player visible to LMS - searching is a control point/server function. The WiiM home app has no visibility of what’s in your LMS music library, unlike ipeng and squeezepad.

 

[simbun]

The WiiM home app has no visibility of what’s in your LMS music library, unlike ipeng and squeezepad.

Unless you're using the DLNA/UPnP Media Interface of course, which I assume the OP is.

 

[slartibartfast]

Unless you're using the DLNA/UPnP Media Interface of course, which I assume the OP is.

There is no good reason to do that though.

 

[simbun]

There is no good reason to do that though.

I'm in complete agreement, just pointing out how the OP is accessing Lyrion from the WHA.

 

[slartibartfast]

I'm in complete agreement, just pointing out how the OP is accessing Lyrion from the WHA.

The OP also said he was using Squeezelite. If he was accessing Lyrion from the WHA he wouldn't be. Probably just confused

 

[Burnside]

The OP also said he was using Squeezelite. If he was accessing Lyrion from the WHA he wouldn't be. Probably just confused

Yeah, and falling into the trap of thinking the WHA can be a universal all-singing all-dancing front-end for all services that WiiM devices support, which is a fool’s errand imho given the often restricted APIs and views made available to third parties by those services.

 

[simbun]

The OP also said he was using Squeezelite. If he was accessing Lyrion from the WHA he wouldn't be. Probably just confused

I think he may be confused about what the SqueezeLite setting in the WHA does, but the indexes he lists are those offered by the DLNA/UPnP Media Interface so I'm pretty sure he's accessing it through WHA.

 

[slartibartfast]

I think he may be confused about what the SqueezeLite setting in the WHA does, but the indexes he lists are those offered by the DLNA/UPnP Media Interface so I'm pretty sure he's accessing it through WHA.

Maybe he will change after reading the replies

 

[simbun]

If so, why do the additional search categories not show in the Wiim Home app? They do show in other LMS clients like iPeng and Squeezepad. Is the Wiim Home app internally configured to limit the search categories?

I don't think we actually answered the question.
The WHA uses DLNA (an open standard supported by many servers) to access Lyrion unlike iPeng and Squeezepad that use the proprietary Lyrion API.

 

[slartibartfast]

I don't think we actually answered the question.
The WHA uses DLNA (an open standard supported by many servers) to access Lyrion unlike iPeng and Squeezepad that use the proprietary Lyrion API.

What meaning can we attach to @WiiM Support liking the OP's post

 

[Burnside]

What meaning can we attach to @WiiM Support liking the OP's post

Maybe that they’ll extend the search capabilities to include those categories but that won’t help the OP unless the LMS UPNP media plugin supports those tags which it looks like it doesn’t and given it’s out of support, never will.

 

[J-Jay]

If you are using LMS why are you using the WiiM Home app as a controller when there is no need? Just use LMS to control playback.

The last several Wiim Ultra updates don't work well with iPeng or Squeezepad or I'd be using them. They work for a while, then the Ultra breaks down and won't play. Lyrion Music Server is on a computer in my bedroom, and Wiim Ultra and the rest of my music system is in the living room. I can't be running back and forth from room to room to play an album or change to tracks on another album. I have already initiated a service request and I've been informed they are reviewing the problem along with my log files. The only stable connection at this point is to use the included Squeezelite option in the WHA settings and use it to select and play music. And yes, using the built-in Squeezelite option in WHA allows me to view what's on LMS and select and play albums and tracks. and displays the Album cover jpg. The problem for me is the WHA only provides basic search categories. Squeezelite normally mirrors the search categories configured on the LMS, but WHA is only using some of them. So if WHA has a built-in Squeezelite option, why is WHA showing only the basic search categories?

Lyrion Music Server 9.0 and higher does have a UPNP media plugin and I'm using it.

 

[slartibartfast]

The last several Wiim Ultra updates don't work well with iPeng or Squeezepad or I'd be using them. They work for a while, then the Ultra breaks down and won't play. Lyrion Music Server is on a computer in my bedroom, and Wiim Ultra and the rest of my music system is in the living room. I can't be running back and forth from room to room to play an album or change to tracks on another album. I have already initiated a service request and I've been informed they are reviewing the problem along with my log files. The only stable connection at this point is to use the included Squeezelite option in the WHA settings and use it to select and play music. And yes, using the built-in Squeezelite option in WHA allows me to view what's on LMS and select and play albums and tracks. and displays the Album cover jpg. The problem for me is the WHA only provides basic search categories. Squeezelite normally mirrors the search categories configured on the LMS, but WHA is only using some of them. So if WHA has a built-in Squeezelite option, why is WHA showing only the basic search categories?

Lyrion Music Server 9.0 and higher does have a UPNP media plugin and I'm using it.

Just use Material skin on your phone.

 

[J-Jay]

Maybe that they’ll extend the search capabilities to include those categories but that won’t help the OP unless the LMS UPNP media plugin supports those tags which it looks like it doesn’t and given it’s out of support, never will.

The WHA settings have a built in Squeezelite option. Using that I can see, select and play music that's on the LMS, including the Album covers, but only with the basic search categories.

 

[slartibartfast]

The WHA settings have a built in Squeezelite option. Using that I can see, select and play music that's on the LMS, including the Album covers, but only with the basic search categories.

That isn't using Squeezelite. Squeezelite allows the Ultra to appear as a player in LMS.

 

[J-Jay]

Just use Material skin on your phone.

I'd love to use Material Skin, but there's a problem accessing it in the last several LMS versions. That's been reported to Lyrion.

 

[simbun]

The WHA settings have a built in Squeezelite option. Using that I can see, select and play music that's on the LMS, including the Album covers, but only with the basic search categories.

The DLNA interface is controlled by Lyrion (the DLNA/UPnP Media Interface plugin) so there's nothing WiiM can do to extend that.

The browsing hierarchy appears the same to any DLNA control point e.g. BubbleUPnP/mconnect.