Pro plus with power amp
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For a compact system Pro Plus and WiiM Amp Pro, or WiiM Amp Pro which has already a streamer built-in.
Thanks for the response. I have the original WiimAmp. I love it. Except that the soundstage does not extend beyond my speakers, which resolutely refuse to disappear. This may well be placement but I am thinking that maybe it is a limitation of the WiimAmp.
My guess - just based on the old advice that you should invest far more in the speakers than the amp - is that it's a speaker thing and not an amp thing.
If you could share what types of speakers you have, and the distance they're separated, the distance from the listening position, the sound level you like to listen at (e.g., 85dB), and the type of room you're in (dimensions, how close to the walls the speakers are, etc.) might help others diagnose the source of your issues.
Whether you use a power or an integrated amp is sort of immaterial, as long as the input and power stages of either type of amp is high quality. Neither type of amp has an inherent advantage over the other. What price you're looking at might help indicate which way to go.
Thanks. I really appreciate your input. They are a pair of Dali Optocon 2 Mk2. Far from ideal placement. Firing across the room. About six feet apart and eight feet from the listening position. The room is a bit of a nightmares acoustically. Very minimally furnished and lots of hard surfaces. I do have some acoustic panels on order to try and ameliorate this.
The WiimAmp is an amazing device. If I would make the gains I would like, I would be happy to spend 1k on an amp and a Pro Plus.
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I did try room correction. I wasn't keen. I have found an EQ that I really like. Tonally the system is awesome. Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead!
Thanks for sharing the pics!
+1 to @harkpabst's comment.
In a room that size (quite small), I doubt added watts are going to be much help.
You might want to take a look at either floorstanding speakers (e.g., https://us.kef.com/products/q11-meta?variant=49014963994871) or adding a sub (e.g., https://www.svsound.com/products/sb-3000), but both with room correction, before upgrading your amp. I think the sub might be more appealing, as it has an integrated / additional amp that will lighten the load on your WiiM Amp and your bookshelf speakers, while the floorstanders would require your WiiM Amp to work harder. The cost will be a little extra effort of finding the best placement for your sub in a fairly constrained space.
This forum has plenty of good threads on those topics.
And... that all said... it sure looks like you already have a sub in the picture!
+1 to @harkpabst's comment.
In a room that size (quite small), I doubt added watts are going to be much help.
You might want to take a look at either floorstanding speakers (e.g., https://us.kef.com/products/q11-meta?variant=49014963994871) or adding a sub (e.g., https://www.svsound.com/products/sb-3000), but both with room correction, before upgrading your amp. I think the sub might be more appealing, as it has an integrated / additional amp that will lighten the load on your WiiM Amp and your bookshelf speakers, while the floorstanders would require your WiiM Amp to work harder. The cost will be a little extra effort of finding the best placement for your sub in a fairly constrained space.
This forum has plenty of good threads on those topics.
And... that all said... it sure looks like you already have a sub in the picture!
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I use Wiim Pro Plus with Eversolo AMP-F2. The effect is very good.
I agree with everything you mentioned, except for the Amp! My experience is, the Amp has a huge influence on soundstage. The loudspeaker placements and quality too, but this seems not too bad here.
My advice: Look for references on Amps for your Dalis and get one from a prefered dealer of yours to test at home!
That‘s what I did and how I can state confidentiality my claim!
You see in my signature what I use! The soundstage was much narrower before my Atoll Amp. I used also Denon, Astintrew, Naim, Marantz 30 (which was great as well), NAD, …
Based on experience, your claim sounds strange to me!
Same here. Based on experience, your claim sound super strange to me.
And to @jeffme. Don't know what others have been experiencing.
Soundstage depends on phase preservation throughout the audio pipeline. To hear wide soundstage a top notch DAC is essential, but beyond that, all analog stages must preserve phase. In addition, speaker component is the last factor. You just have to experiment. Pick a well recorded track that you know soundstage was well recorded and listen.
That's what I am doing. Whether it is sensible or not depends on your needs, expectations, and price level of the integrated amplifier. Using the Pro Plus as the preamp allows you to apply room correction and equalization to all of your source inputs but this is also available in some integrated amplifiers.
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What I see from the photo are 2 speakers backfiring into their own recessed wall with a fireplace on either side. You’re going to get a ton of bass buildup behind those speakers causing the phantom image to be blurry. Hence the bad soundstage. Bass traps are your friend here.
So, you wanna tell, it doesn’t matter, what kind of amplifier you use, the sound stage is the same?
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I don't even want to discuss this.
From my point of view it is totally irresponsible to talk someone with non-ideal speaker placement in a difficult room into trying and buying multiple amps if he isn't satisfied with the soundstage. This won't work. If anything, while changing components over and over again, some random and totally unrelated change might lead to a subjective improvement, which might be wrongly attributed to the amplifier then.
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Beautiful living room. That crown molding is something
I don't even want to discuss this.
From my point of view it is totally irresponsible to talk someone with non-ideal speaker placement in a difficult room into trying and buying multiple amps if he isn't satisfied with the soundstage. This won't work. If anything, while changing components over and over again, some random and totally unrelated change might lead to a subjective improvement, which might be wrongly attributed to the amplifier then.
Nobody suggested buying anything.
Nobody suggested changing components over and over again!
I suggested comparing, and this is the way to go!
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