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What does "worth using" mean? LMS is free software, and it runs on hardware as humble as a $35 Raspberry Pi.

The software offers many things, not the least of which is streaming to multiple endpoints ("rooms" or "zones"), any combination of local server content (i.e. your own music library should you own one), or streaming services such as Qobuz, Spotify, Deezer, as well as internet radio, different streams to different rooms simultaneously, or synced multiroom play.

Whether or not you've already got those bases adequately covered via the WiiM Home app and WiiM endpoint devices is a question only you can answer. If you find you are lacking something, then perhaps that something is better served by using the WiiM device solely as an endpoint "player" (in it's Squeezelite mode), and adding the very capable and low cost LMS solution on something as inexpensive and low energy consumption as a Raspberry Pi.
I have one system consisting of streamer, DAC, amp and speakers purely for 2 channel music. I use a tablet to stream from a streaming service. I have zero stored music anywhere on any device. I do not use any form of multi room system etc.
What I’d like to know, is what would Roon/LMS add to my experience that I don’t already have? In that sense, is it worth it to me (not a financial worth), or would it offer no real benefit to the way I listen now? Thanks
 
I have one system consisting of streamer, DAC, amp and speakers purely for 2 channel music. I use a tablet to stream from a streaming service. I have zero stored music anywhere on any device. I do not use any form of multi room system etc.
What I’d like to know, is what would Roon/LMS add to my experience that I don’t already have? In that sense, is it worth it to me (not a financial worth), or would it offer no real benefit to the way I listen now? Thanks

Probably nothing. However, given that LMS is free, and Roon offers a free trial, you can easily find out for yourself.
 
Probably nothing. However, given that LMS is free, and Roon offers a free trial, you can easily find out for yourself.
Thanks. Not being awkward, just no idea what they do, or if they have any benefit to my usage. I’ll take a look online to see what they offer
 
Thanks. Not being awkward, just no idea what they do, or if they have any benefit to my usage. I’ll take a look online to see what they offer
Even if you don’t have a library of your own music, LMS offers a much better Radio Paradise and BBC Sounds interface, as well as offering music&artist information on screen such as shown in the post linked below, even for radio stations. You can quickly set it up on a PC to check it out and if it looks like it might be of use, you can then think about setting it up on a Raspberry Pi or such so you don’t need your PC on 24x7.

 
Who needs Roon?

Somebody who is impressed by slick branding which came up with the name Roon!

LMS is currently stuck with its less than aspiring 3-letter acronym 😅
 
Even if you don’t have a library of your own music, LMS offers a much better Radio Paradise and BBC Sounds interface, as well as offering music&artist information on screen such as shown in the post linked below, even for radio stations. You can quickly set it up on a PC to check it out and if it looks like it might be of use, you can then think about setting it up on a Raspberry Pi or such so you don’t need your PC on 24x7.

Thanks. I don’t use radio stations though any more since emigrating. And believe it or not I don’t own a PC, only tablet and phone!
 
There is now an option to install the LMS software on an android phone or tablet.
Only after you choose the right audiophile gum for the mic hole, get the proper Coax cable that both fits the Pro or Pro Plus and sounds good, or the RCA cables to the Analogue outs can you decide whether LMS is your alternative to Roon
It's a step by step transistion
 
Only after you choose the right audiophile gum for the mic hole, get the proper Coax cable that both fits the Pro or Pro Plus and sounds good, or the RCA cables to the Analogue outs can you decide whether LMS is your alternative to Roon
It's a step by step transistion
No idea what you're talking about... LMS and Roon are just software. One is free, the other costs. 150 credits a year. One runs on a range of devices, the other is less versatile.
 
No idea what you're talking about... LMS and Roon are just software. One is free, the other costs. 150 credits a year. One runs on a range of devices, the other is less versatile.
I was being facetious
Also, I'm a heavy proponent of LMS, even though I did like Roon for that month I tried it
I just don't like paying over $800 to have it lifetime or even more to rent it
 
Weighing in on the LMS vs Roon debate now that I have a Roon trial up and running.
FWIW I don't subscribe to any Roon compatible music services so my use is for local music streaming.
My endpoints are a Wiim Pro, a couple of Windows PCs and a laptop, my phone (mostly in the car via Android auto), and my home theatre system (comprised of a Marantz AVR/Vero4K/AppleTV4K/Chromecast-Google TV/Panasonic UHD/PS5).
My only music subscription is for YouTube music which I see as a bonus included with my YouTube premium family subscription.

While Roon was simpler to setup than my LMS environment, with my LMS already setup and doing everything I need with the required plugins configured I see no reason or advantage in switching to Roon and certainly not for the price it demands.
While certainly a consideration of individual finances and many with more money to burn than me will disagree, I think that US$15 per month is too much for what it provides, and certainly not US$830 for a "lifetime" license (4.6years ROI vs monthly).
I also found it interesting that the set-up process had a button to add HQPlayer which turns out to be a NZ$500+ playback application for my PC.
I am clearly not the target market for this ecosystem.

Who knows what Samsung/Harman's plans are and how any change in direction will impact existing lifetime subscribers?
With Roon claiming 100k active users this amounts to up to US$1.5m per month of income or $83m in lifetime license sales at current prices.

The features I like with Roon, other than the easy set-up, are the ability to easily direct playback info to separate display device, e.g. audio goes to my Wiim and the display to my Chromecast, and the simplicity of exposing your library for access remotely although for some reason this uses a different application.
Both of these are possible with LMS but a bit more of a fiddle.

I also don't have a native Roon (RAAT) or LMS (Squeezelite) client device in my AV setup and currently use my Vero4K (OSMC) as a DLNA endpoint which works flawlessly including media info and lyrics displayed on the TV.
With Roon I would have to use Airplay to the Marantz or Apple TV, or Cast to the Chromecast, which bugs me but is probably fine for audio quality, but I did have issues when trying this with the media playback display info not automatically coming to the foreground most times I started playback.

Am I missing something?
Does Roon only make sense when combining local and online services?
Other than the somewhat more complex configuration of plugins in LMS, what is the "magic" people talk about Roon having or whatever it adds to their experience over other solutions?
Both interfaces (LMS Material vs Roon remote) are clean and responsive with similar features.
I agree that it was easy or cheap to produce a product as polished as Roon there would be more competition but maybe it's not actually worth competing against LMS?

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Since switching to ROON 2.0 my user experience has degraded due to the need for persistent internet connectivity. I have lousy internet service here, so it becomes an issue. There is a workaround by going back to an orphaned earlier version.

Earlier this year Roon promised to remove the internet connectivity requirement. So this has either already been changed or will be changed soon.
 
Who knows what Samsung/Harman's plans are and how any change in direction will impact existing lifetime subscribers?
With Roon claiming 100k active users this amounts to up to US$1.5m per month of income or $83m in lifetime license sales at current prices.

There was a discussion of this in another topic around here. Roon has over 300k subscribers as of over a year ago. I think it may still say 100k on one of their web pages, but I shared posts from the founders saying that is old data.

When Roon was sold there were assurances that the founders/leaders would still make the decisions. So far, they have all stayed on, AFAIK, and lots of interesting plans for the future have been announced. Longer term, who knows? But, another positive is that Roon fits in very nicely with a lot of the audiophile brands that Harman owns.


Edit: Here is the info about 300k subscribers. It was from 2022, so the number is likely higher now.

Roon 2.0 and internet connectivity [it's just like 1.8 now]

it’s close to 300k now. I never gave these numbers, you are guessing… but your guess is pretty damn good! So far, out of ~300k users, 40% are using 2.0 already. About 200 users are on legacy 1.8, and most are running old Macs or PCs that can’t take the 2.0 update due to minimum OS version...
community.roonlabs.com
community.roonlabs.com
 
Great post, really. Not too much partisan 😉 and obviously written with a certain knowledge of both systems. A fact I often miss.
For ME Roon indeed only really makes sense when running and keeping up to date a BIG stored music library. Emphasis on BIG. Streaming in Roon is a nice to have, it widens the chances for the algorithms to show more options.
I do not know if my remaining lifetime will be long enough to see that this childish bashing (a little bit unbalanced 😉) stops and everyone accepts that there, heaven thanks, are different approaches. Its like Beatles or Stones? Both! Peaceful co-existence. What me really bores are this "too expensive", "ridiculous amount of money" and all this price related arguments. We are talking about 12 to 15 € or equivalent per month for a subscription. The available hardware isn't necessarily expensive, not more than for the alternative solution. Shouldn't we expect to write with adult people each one reasonable enough to know exactly what he or she can and/or is willing to pay for this or that?
Okay - what's the cheapest Roon server capable device out there?
 
There seem to be very inexpensive (under $200) Windows 11 PCs on Amazon. I would confirm on the Roon Community Forum, but they should be usable as Roon servers.

 
I've had this when I started my build last year and always got the answer that the Rock software only works with Intel NUCS! No idea if this is still valid. If all Windows Minis work I do not know.

If it has Windows 11, you don't need to use Rock. "Roon for desktop" can act as either a server or an end-point and runs on Windows or MacOS.

Rock is a customized Linux installation and only has drivers for a limited set of hardware: https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...ed-core-kit#More_about_ROCKs_hardware_support
 
This is the link to the various Roon downloads.
It will run on Linux but not an insatnce running on an ARM processor, which is what the RPi uses

 
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