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And remember, it's all about worst cases mainly, not the best ones.
What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?
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And remember, it's all about worst cases mainly, not the best ones.
I Heard the differences with my Friends, not small differencesbut i respect your points of view
I would not buy such a product, especially with no toslink and with unnecessary LPS.
a wiim mini mk2:
same product but more mature
significantly better dac analog output-input (and jitter improvement on toslink) (and necessarily take more care of the treatment of the internal power supply)
chromecast ability
if need , possibility addition of eternet adaptator via the usb power supply like the old chromecast audio
remain substantially within its price positioning, etc., type of very general public offer.
work on quality and reliability criteria despite the modesty of the product.
Challenges can take many aspects...
same product but more mature
significantly better dac analog output-input (and jitter improvement on toslink) (and necessarily take more care of the treatment of the internal power supply)
chromecast ability
if need , possibility addition of eternet adaptator via the usb power supply like the old chromecast audio
remain substantially within its price positioning, etc., type of very general public offer.
work on quality and reliability criteria despite the modesty of the product.
Challenges can take many aspects...
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Amen
Wiim expanding product from mini to pro plus at different price point. You want better sounding streamer without using dac then you choose plus. I believe most users will just hold off of buying till the next gen product that has all the bell and whistle. This where will wiim makes even larger sale.
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I wonder if they’ll drop the Pro when they bring out the Pro Plus? Some might argue a better DAC was what they expected in the original Pro - I seem to recall discussions to that effect. They’re perhaps in danger of having too many models in the range with only minor differences between them which will only serve to confuse consumers.
Would you call a successor "Plus" if Pro is planned to be dropped? Personally I would not.
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There’s a world outside this forum like ASR, YouTube, Facebook groups and Reddit subs (if they all ever come back/ survive) where I’m sure WiiM products will be mentioned, discussed, measured and reviewed, I don’t think owners necessarily replaced their Minis when the Pro came out, nor do I expect many to replace their Pro with a Pro Plus, but there‘s almost always a market for good kit so there will be new buyers of new WiiM models as and when they arrive.
Edit: this comment is somewhat orphaned after @canard deleted theirs….
like ASR, YouTube, Facebook groups and Reddit subs (if they all ever come back/ survive) where I’m sure WiiM products will be mentioned, discussed, measured and reviewed, I don’t think owners necessarily replaced their Minis when the Pro came out, nor do I expect many to replace their Pro with a Pro Plus, but there‘s almost always a market for good kit so there will be new buyers of new WiiM models as and when they arrive.Edit: this comment is somewhat orphaned after @canard deleted theirs….
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My use case is still in a listening only environment, not connected to a TV. I would love a display for artist metadata, but for that to be a compelling feature, I would look for a large screen (like 7"+ diagonal) and a snazzy, polished UI similar to the Plexamp Now Playing UI. I currently use a tablet that just displays the Wiim Home app to accomplish this, so proper 'side-by-side' landscape with bigger album art (in the case of Android app) could do just as well for me and would be a killer upgrade to the app! Cannot wait to hear more about the planned products that will have USB audio output!
That's why I couldn't find a relationship with mine probably
Hi @Brantome
I completely agree. They really are in danger of having too many models very similar one another and this generates confusion. Especially for the less experienced
Same things for, i.e., SMSL They have a lot of DAX very similar one another.
Would not be better less but clearly distinct ?
But….it’s only my opinion
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It’ll be interesting to see how they price it too - it’s clearly aimed at users who perhaps don’t already have a DAC but who are wanting better performance than what the Pro’s internal DAC can deliver. If those users can be persuaded to buy the Plus instead of a Pro and say a Topping, a Schitt or some other DAC along with the necessary interconnects, and get similar if not indeed even better performance while saving on the overall package cost (and power pointsHi @Brantome
I completely agree. They really are in danger of having too many models very similar one another and this generates confusion. Especially for the less experienced
Same things for, i.e., SMSL They have a lot of DAX very similar one another.
Would not be better less but clearly distinct ?
But….it’s only my opinion
) , then they may be on to another winner.WIlliAmNPC
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I'm excited for the Pro(+). I really appreciate your guys' quick market development/product innovation!
I'm really interested on what the other products in development are. Any hints?
Another feature that I would like to see is the ability to play music off an external hard-drive including library management from the app. So, if you are implementing a USB out functionality already, It would be nice to see two USB sockets total. One input and one output.
It would be cool to see USB streamer only. No internal DAC. No COAX out. No clocks. Just power and a two USB sockets. Or as a compromise, I would accept a bare-bones streamer, USB and COAX out only. No DAC. And make sure it's power supply module can accept different power sources for people that like to experiment with linear power supplies. That would really please the audiophile community. It'd be really hard to compete with that.
@BrantomeIt’ll be interesting to see how they price it too - it’s clearly aimed at users who perhaps don’t already have a DAC but who are wanting better performance than what the Pro’s internal DAC can deliver. If those users can be persuaded to buy the Plus instead of a Pro and say a Topping, a Schitt or some other DAC along with the necessary interconnects, and get similar if not indeed even better performance while saving on the overall package cost (and power points
Yes, next WiiM wil not be for me, i’ll wait for the next one, but…how don’t agree with your words? Could be another winner for newbies or for people not so deep inside devices,cables and so on or yet for occasional streamers
And for sure we have to see how they will price the new WiiM.
It must remain in WiiM price’s tradition, but..how much more than Pro?
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@Achim1811Almost everything in your post I would sign!
But I don't want to be part of an "audiophile community" because this "audiophile", what no one could really define for me, sucks more and more! For example all this tube amp garbage for a few Euros or Dollars or whatsoever is labelled "audiophile", because the number of misled people who want to read it is growing every day.
I am a music and hifi enthusiast and do not want to be named audiophile. And be assured I know what I write about. One of the reasons it lasted long to find my way to the WiiM was the a-word in WiiM's advertising.
Don't worry. For me too "Audiophile" it's a derogatory term. I'm not an audiophile and i don't want to be considered an audiophile.
As you I'm a simple enthusiast of music and hifi. No more
I listen to music, not devices. Mhhhh, i must confess that from time to time I throw an ear to how equipment is reproducing
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I would agree that Audiophile is mostly a bad name and I would not see myself as one. And I believe Wiim are not aiming their products at "Audiophiles" but at people who appreciate a good quality product with features like bit-perfect Optical output and a fully functional constantly improving mobile app. I think the key differences are being objective (and pragmatic) - objective in that people should understand that an digital stream selected in the App and then streamed to an external DAC is as good as it gets (no audiophile cables needed) and pragmatic in that sometimes a product at a particular price point needs "good enough" pragmatic features also, i.e. the current DAC is good enough for lots of people to just try the Wiim Mini (and Pro) and then they can decide if they need a better DAC.
So for me the Pro+ is a good product as some people will be only starting out on the "audio" journey and haven't yet invest in a DAC and possible the built in DAC in the Pro+ will be all they need.
Then a future product beyond the Pro+ could go a few different ways:
1. Stripped down (no DAC) but with higher quality internal components (maybe a "Wiim Mini +" ) - I personally don't think this would be a good product. It only going to appeal to people who have lots of separate audio products already and most of them either have a Wiim already or have alternative streamers because they like to buy lots of audio products.
2. Digital Home "Connected product" e.g. something with HDMI Arc + SubWoofer - maybe this would be a new "product line" that would eventually includes Dolby Atmos support - this is for people who have a nice living room setup and want something better than a soundbar so some nice speakers (and a subwoofer) - this Wiim get digital audio from TV (as well as streaming services) and feeds an amplifier like a Fosi Audio V3 - maybe with a PEQ based filter (if a subwoofer is connected) so the amp / speakers do not need to worry about low frequencies.
But I would see this product use the HDMI connection to the TV when streaming to display album art etc.
3. Mid-Fi Steamer - this is where I think the next Wiim Pro+ should go and this would include a screen (that optionally can be turned off) to show the track name / album art / Codec / bitrate etc This is for someone who just wants a streamer for audio has nice speakers and occasionally wants to check what is playing by glancing at the display on the Wiim Pro Vision+
All these paths are valid - I imagine the question for the Wiim team is which is the most profitable (or whether it's worth chasing multiple product lines) going forward.
So for me the Pro+ is a good product as some people will be only starting out on the "audio" journey and haven't yet invest in a DAC and possible the built in DAC in the Pro+ will be all they need.
Then a future product beyond the Pro+ could go a few different ways:
1. Stripped down (no DAC) but with higher quality internal components (maybe a "Wiim Mini +" ) - I personally don't think this would be a good product. It only going to appeal to people who have lots of separate audio products already and most of them either have a Wiim already or have alternative streamers because they like to buy lots of audio products.
2. Digital Home "Connected product" e.g. something with HDMI Arc + SubWoofer - maybe this would be a new "product line" that would eventually includes Dolby Atmos support - this is for people who have a nice living room setup and want something better than a soundbar so some nice speakers (and a subwoofer) - this Wiim get digital audio from TV (as well as streaming services) and feeds an amplifier like a Fosi Audio V3 - maybe with a PEQ based filter (if a subwoofer is connected) so the amp / speakers do not need to worry about low frequencies.
But I would see this product use the HDMI connection to the TV when streaming to display album art etc.
3. Mid-Fi Steamer - this is where I think the next Wiim Pro+ should go and this would include a screen (that optionally can be turned off) to show the track name / album art / Codec / bitrate etc This is for someone who just wants a streamer for audio has nice speakers and occasionally wants to check what is playing by glancing at the display on the Wiim Pro Vision+
All these paths are valid - I imagine the question for the Wiim team is which is the most profitable (or whether it's worth chasing multiple product lines) going forward.
@Achim1811@Achim1811
Don't worry. For me too "Audiophile" it's a derogatory term. I'm not an audiophile and i don't want to be considered an audiophile.
As you I'm a simple enthusiast of music and hifi. No more
I listen to music, not devices. Mhhhh, i must confess that from time to time I throw an ear to how equipment is reproducing
No, not much if you do it right and with a little practice
