True. But people like us, who spend far too much time on internet forums, represent a tiny part of the market, at best.
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What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?
castalla
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I'm not an audiophile. I just listen to what I like on whatever endpoint is at hand - no faffing about with cables, toe-ins, etc. Something new, a quick check on YouTube quickly tells me if it's worth the effort to stream more.
And tracks don't grow on me with repetition - like or not like is pretty much a quick decision.
My hearing is also deteriorated, so... No time wasted
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Since they won’t say, I have a theory bouncing around in my head
Sonos supports both AirPlay and Apple Music, WiiM does not. Sonos is probably scared of WiiM and have some agreement in place with Apple that is getting in WiiM’s way 
Purely conjecture on my part though 
Whatever the reason, I'm sure it's out of their hands... It's a serious omission.Since they won’t say, I have a theory bouncing around in my head
castalla
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Airplay - over-rated & never used in my setup
Pragmatist
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You forgot your mantra that LMS has clues for everything. And that it is freeAirplay - over-rated & never used in my setup
castalla
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Including Airplay, if you absolutely mustYou forgot your mantra that LMS has clues for everything. And that it is free
Pragmatist
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Quod erat demonstrandumIncluding Airplay, if you absolutely must
castalla
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Please note that the WiiM Mini, WiiM Pro, WiiM Pro Plus and WiiM Amp all continue to support AirPlay, so any conspiracy revolving around that other brand might need further refinement.Since they won’t say, I have a theory bouncing around in my head
For those of us hanging around since before the introduction of the WiiM Ultra this topic is really getting boring beyond compare. I'll try to list the facts one more time, to get it out of the way (at least for this thread
).So, what are the facts?
You cannot simply make a device supporting AirPlay and sell it. You must join Apple's "MFi program" and obtain their certification. Apple recommend to do so before you start mass production ...
WiiM mentioned that the Ultra was pending certification, so they surely applied like they had done with their previous products.
The official statement on the lack of AirPlay support can be found here. Note that they mention a "hardware limitation".
To put this into context, the MFi program covers not just AirPlay but a broad range of proprietary Apple technologies, including HomeKit, CarPlay and so on. They don't provide much information unless you have joint MFi and signed an NDA, but through posts like this one on their Developer Forum it has become known that Apple support hardware or software based certification.
In the past, WiiM devices did not only work as AirPlay receivers but also as AirPlay transmitters. Obviously, WiiM felt entitled to provide this feature, but it was removed from all existing products around the same time the Ultra did not receive certification.
All WiiM streaming devices released after the Ultra are based on basically the same Linkplay streaming module.
What's speculation?
Well, any conclusion drawn from the above is speculation.
The mentioned "hardware limitation" could mean that Apple refused certification because the MFi chip is missing. I have seen no evidence if previous WiiM products had been certified based on the hardware or software solution. Some third parties surmised the new Linkplay module to be "faulty" or not follow Apples "quality standards". Now, that's highly speculative for sure. 
Apple might have been upset be WiiM implementing AirPlay sender functionality, Sonos might have intervened, all kinds of things could or could not have happened, we simply don't know. And due to the fact that all the details are certainly covered by NDA, we won't ever know.
As of now, new WiiM products simply don't support AirPlay and that's it.
That's why I thought I understood some people going so far as to couple a modest mini, for example, with an ultra just for this function ;-)
no?
;-)
(https://www.amazon.com/ARSY-Streaming-Receiver-Ethernet-Streamer/dp/B0DQ56CXQ7 ?)
no?
;-)
(https://www.amazon.com/ARSY-Streaming-Receiver-Ethernet-Streamer/dp/B0DQ56CXQ7 ?)
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EddNog
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Is it true that AirPlay 2 devices are not bitperfect while original AirPlay (1) are (at least up to CD/Redbook quality)?
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No, in specific cases Airplay 2 can be bit perfect, but that sometimes gets lost in the discussions about Apple Music often being down sampled to 256kbps AAC over airplay 2.
See this oft quoted link https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-and-bytes/apple-music-lossless-mess-part-2-airplay-r1026/
castalla
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Thanks @harkpabst for the above info - very helpful for me to better understand it all
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