Which and when will the successor of the Wiim Ultra be released on the market?

[Yoku-San]

So far, WiiM make two streaming integrated amplifiers.

What is it that you're missing?

• 2 x 100 W instead of 2 x 60 W?
• VU Meters or a configurable display?
• Turntable input?
• aptX support?
• More physical inputs?
• More physical outputs?
• Higher price?
• Blue light?

Don't get me wrong, I seriously wonder what WiiM had to do to makes customers skip the M10 V3 or MSA5500 in favour of a WiiM product.

Looking forward to learn what they think customers might be after.

They will have to come out with a Wiim Ultra with integrated amp section to compete with the Eversolo Play. I remember we proposed this long ago.

 

[harkpabst]

Good points! I am missing;

• Higher power output - dual mono design preferred
• Airplay 2
• Speaker A/B selection
• Dual independent subwoofer outputs
• No need to have two volume / gain settings (Ultra + Vibelink)

Thanks

If you want all of that combined in one product (in addition to what we already have, of course), that's perfectly legit. But it's also very specific and (I think) unlikely to ever happen.

None of the two amplifiers you mentioned as a reference supports two sets of speakers, despite of their high price. As soon as you provide an A/B switch, others will be asking for A+B (for whatever reasons).

WiiM currently does not get allowance from Apply to enable Airplay 2 support for any new product. Nobody (outside WiiM and Apple) knows if this is ever going to change (the older products like the WiiM Amp continue to support Airplay 2).

Higher power is something that will win additional customers for sure. But even twice the power only results in 3 dB higher SPL, so it really has to be a massive increase in power to make some sense. Where would you want the dual mono design to start? Just for the power section or further up the processing chain? Even the WiiM Amp already provides crosstalk numbers of -100 to -80 dB between 1 kHz and 20 kHz for digital sources.

A full width device was certainly more likely to get some of these extras and dual independent sub outputs surely would be on my wish list , too. It's all a question of what market segment WiiM will try to attack. There have been rumours that we might see more devices dubbed "Vibelink" in the future, just based on the naming scheme. Let's see what this might or might not be.

They will have to come out with a Wiim Ultra with integrated amp section to compete with the Eversolo Play. I remember we proposed this long ago.

I don't think they have to. Let's see if they will.

 

[canard]

If you want all of that combined in one product (in addition to what we already have, of course), that's perfectly legit. But it's also very specific and (I think) unlikely to ever happen.

None of the two amplifiers you mentioned as a reference supports two sets of speakers, despite of their high price. As soon as you provide an A/B switch, others will be asking for A+B (for whatever reasons).

WiiM currently does not get allowance from Apply to enable Airplay 2 support for any new product. Nobody (outside WiiM and Apple) knows if this is ever going to change (the older products like the WiiM Amp continue to support Airplay 2).

Higher power is something that will win additional customers for sure. But even twice the power only results in 3 dB higher SPL, so it really has to be a massive increase in power to make some sense. Where would you want the dual mono design to start? Just for the power section or further up the processing chain? Even the WiiM Amp already provides crosstalk numbers of -100 to -80 dB between 1 kHz and 20 kHz for digital sources.

A full width device was certainly more likely to get some of these extras and dual independent sub outputs surely would be on my wish list , too. It's all a question of what market segment WiiM will try to attack. There have been rumours that we might see more devices dubbed "Vibelink" in the future, just based on the naming scheme. Let's see what this might or might not be.


I don't think they have to. Let's see if they will.

everyone goes there "with their injunction"... funny... ;-)

 

[jed1]

.... Where would you want the dual mono design to start? Just for the power section or further up the processing chain? Even the WiiM Amp already provides crosstalk numbers of -100 to -80 dB between 1 kHz and 20 kHz for digital sources.

I would prefer dual mono design from DAC stage. There are many DAC implemented with dual ESS / AKM.

One can buy multiple off-the-shelf devices to implement most of these features such as; dual mono DAC, dual mono amps, speaker selection switch, airplay 2 receiver, external DSP for multiple subwoofers, and build a system. Such system will end up with a mess of interconnect cables and multiple remote controllers / apps and probably costs about $1-2k. If an integrated amp include all these functions into a box (either wider or taller form factor), it will take less shelf space and looks a lot cleaner than a pile of multiple equipment. That alone can be a big selling point even if it costs more than sum of multiple gears.

 

[canard]

it s more a futur "amp pro" than a futur "ultra" ;-)

 

[Musician]

I think the Ultra already is a rather perfect product. The soundquality cant be bettered, not as a transport or as a streamer, unless you make it sound more ”analog” with some earfriendly colorations. That can already be done with an external colored dac of choice.

I like the Ultra size, and I even like the display .

Ok, if I could wish - I would like dual subwoofer outputs in stereo , and switchable lowpass and highpass crossover between 36 dB butterworth, 24 linkwitz riley, 18dB butterworth, 12 dB butterworth, 12 dB linkwitz . I also wish that lowpass and highpass crossover could have different slopes to combine , so a closed box main speaker can be crossed 12dB/oct high pass ( making it a acoustical 24 dB/oct ) and combined with 24dB/oct low pass for the subwoofers. This would sum be a correct 24/24 dB acoustical crossover LP and HP, - if one uses closed box main speakers. This is called a THX crossover as you all know.

Best integration would infact be 30dB/oct low pass combined with 18dB/oct high pass for closed mains - so I would want that option to.