Which and when will the successor of the Wiim Ultra be released on the market?

[adias]

No, it's not like that. I need the preamp function and the analog output for the subwoofer with all its settings. my speakers are fully digital and prefer digital inputs (coax) but the subwoofer must be driven either by an LFE output or by a preout with DSP

Ok, but for ultimate streamer performance anything else added contributes to noise and interference. For ultimate quality:

Streamer > DAC > Analog amplification.

Ultra is good. To make it better make it strictly a streamer. And no screen. IMO.

 

[Mamo]

hurray! if the dream comes true (Thiel 7.2) Wiim is ready with a power amp

 

[castalla]

Ok, but for ultimate streamer performance anything else added contributes to noise and interference. For ultimate quality:

Streamer > DAC > Analog amplification.

Ultra is good. To make it better make it strictly a streamer. And no screen. IMO.

The screen is the USP!

 

[Musician]

I think a surround sound firmware upgrade for the Wiim ultra using audio pro a10 active speakers as surrounds or a Wiim pro , making surround wireless is coming very soon . Wiim seems to start the surround beta tests now.

This is very interesting for me , I think many users of ultra has a good 2.0 stereo system already, don’t want a center and wants to complement movie sound with surrounds, i.e 4.0 sound ability.

 

[Musician]

Hi Valentino, The chip itself is not that important to me, obviously a recent chip allows for better functionality. In terms of SQ Ultra is excellent if compared to the price, if you compare it in absolute terms it is good but there are much better obviously. I am sure that a better analog stage, with separate linear power supplies, a totally balanced setting can give an extra boost in terms of SQ. I'll give you an example: in terms of SQ I compared the wiim ultra as a pure transport with bluesound node n130, with lumin U1 mini with sbooster, with cambridge cxn v2 and exn100, Fiio r9, volumio Rivo and in terms of sound quality it was behind all of these, some more than others. In terms of functionality and management however it was superior to all of these. The subwoofer management, the app etc are light years ahead of those of wiim.

Sorry to say, but I don’t think the YouTube press will give any better reviews if an ” upgrade ” comes for the ultra , because the highend industry hates upcomers like Wiim offering the same or better quality for less money .

I guess you may believe that a Lumin streamer sound better than an ultra but that’s not the case if you carefully compare the units side by side . The Lumin will probably measure worse, thus sounding different and maybe more ear friendly and we are mislead to think it’s better.

You can get exactly the same colored sound from an ultra if you complement the Wiim with a colored dac .

The fact is that most highend streamers are measuring worse and are less user friendly for much more money.

The YouTube reviewer or stereophile will always love really expensive gear regardless how bad it will measure or perform - but most of all those reviewers love the money they get for commersial after a ” good” review .

WiiM has started a silent revolution from below - but it’s not gonna be easy and one should not expect glowing reviews from the hifiindustry .

 

[Bill Mac]

I would be very interested in a WiiM streamer transport with HDMI output, USB input, USB output, better mounted RCAs and XLR output. Pretty much the feature set of an Eversolo DMP-A6 but with WiiM’s far superior app and support.

 

[mistermaril]

Sorry to say, but I don’t think the YouTube press will give any better reviews if an ” upgrade ” comes for the ultra , because the highend industry hates upcomers like Wiim offering the same or better quality for less money .

I guess you may believe that a Lumin streamer sound better than an ultra but that’s not the case if you carefully compare the units side by side . The Lumin will probably measure worse, thus sounding different and maybe more ear friendly and we are mislead to think it’s better.

You can get exactly the same colored sound from an ultra if you complement the Wiim with a colored dac .

The fact is that most highend streamers are measuring worse and are less user friendly for much more money.

The YouTube reviewer or stereophile will always love really expensive gear regardless how bad it will measure or perform - but most of all those reviewers love the money they get for commersial after a ” good” review .

WiiM has started a silent revolution from below - but it’s not gonna be easy and one should not expect glowing reviews from the hifiindustry .

I totally agree with you! as a former seller, I completely agree with your words. I bought wiim ultra to connect it to a headphone amplifier (in analog, with the 2 rca cables) and it immediately seemed to me that it sounded linear and analytical, it is not cold at all, it is wonderfully articulated, exactly how I like it, then the settings are very simple

, I like it a lot (and I have sold more expensive products, much more expensive)

 

[Flatron7]

Sorry to say, but I don’t think the YouTube press will give any better reviews if an ” upgrade ” comes for the ultra , because the highend industry hates upcomers like Wiim offering the same or better quality for less money .

I guess you may believe that a Lumin streamer sound better than an ultra but that’s not the case if you carefully compare the units side by side . The Lumin will probably measure worse, thus sounding different and maybe more ear friendly and we are mislead to think it’s better.

You can get exactly the same colored sound from an ultra if you complement the Wiim with a colored dac .

The fact is that most highend streamers are measuring worse and are less user friendly for much more money.

The YouTube reviewer or stereophile will always love really expensive gear regardless how bad it will measure or perform - but most of all those reviewers love the money they get for commersial after a ” good” review .

WiiM has started a silent revolution from below - but it’s not gonna be easy and one should not expect glowing reviews from the hifiindustry .

I could even agree with what you say but what I wrote is not based on reviews but on tests at home in my system next to each other. Measurements do not tell everything. They tell a lot this is true but they do not tell everything. and then let's face it what do you do with an electronic that measures very well and that you do not like how it sounds? in the end we have to listen to the music and we have to like what we hear. Ps: I am for good measurements and I am in favor of having to start from there but then it is always our ears that declare what we like.

 

[remcojan]

I agree, even this ADC is something that can be improved. Digital inputs and digital outputs can be further improved by implementing higher galvanic separations. For the design, for example, I would eliminate the inputs and outputs recessed into the chassis. For example, I have very expensive cables of large diameter that I cannot connect to the wiim because they do not fit into the rca sockets. Small things that make the difference.

Fully agree with the recessed connectors. I'm actually thinking of customizing it myself. Remove the current connectors and make something with my 3d printer to put over the existing wholes and mount some proper RCA connectors. Shouldn't be very complex.

 

[onlyoneme]

I could even agree with what you say but what I wrote is not based on reviews but on tests at home in my system next to each other. Measurements do not tell everything. They tell a lot this is true but they do not tell everything. and then let's face it what do you do with an electronic that measures very well and that you do not like how it sounds? in the end we have to listen to the music and we have to like what we hear. Ps: I am for good measurements and I am in favor of having to start from there but then it is always our ears that declare what we like.

Now it transfers from "what is better" to "what I do like more".

 

[Musician]

Now it transfers from "what is better" to "what I do like more".

Yes, and there’s nothing wrong with liking a colored ” highend ” sound . This is why I use a 1100 dollar Rega dac R because I like the coloration it does to the music .

However , there are still enthusiasts who really believes that a more expensive streamer = better, both with measurements ( proven false by ASR and onlyoneme ) , and sounding ” better ” ( might be the case with some good sounding colorations, analog compression and higher distortion ) .

Sounding ”better” is often similar to a worse SINAD .

 

[Valentino]

My Ultra Line Out goes to a likewise uncoloured Topping L30 headphone amplifier which normally drives Beyerdynamic 1770 Pro headphones which, according to the Harman curve, are coloured.

 

[Nedmundo]

A Wiim Ultra with an R2R DAC would be an interesting proposition

 

[Flatron7]

Fully agree with the recessed connectors. I'm actually thinking of customizing it myself. Remove the current connectors and make something with my 3d printer to put over the existing wholes and mount some proper RCA connectors. Shouldn't be very complex.

wow if you do that i want to see the result its really stressful not being able to use big cables

 

[Flatron7]

Yes, and there’s nothing wrong with liking a colored ” highend ” sound . This is why I use a 1100 dollar Rega dac R because I like the coloration it does to the music .

However , there are still enthusiasts who really believes that a more expensive streamer = better, both with measurements ( proven false by ASR and onlyoneme ) , and sounding ” better ” ( might be the case with some good sounding colorations, analog compression and higher distortion ) .

Sounding ”better” is often similar to a worse SINAD .

I agree with this position, but if you think about it, the exact opposite is also true, that is, a better sinad does not necessarily mean that it sounds better. If it were that simple, there would be thousands of fantastic devices at the same size that then turn out to be unlistenable junk. It is also reductive to think that it is only a question of coloration and it is also absurd to think that a good product for 350 dollars can be the best product on the market. I am one of the first admirers of Ultra, I have inserted it in my main dynaudio system but I am aware that there are streamers that sound better. Everyone has their own opinion, I would like to have your certainties in thinking that Wiim Ultra is the arrival of the streamer and not the beginning

 

[adias]

A Wiim Ultra with an R2R DAC would be an interesting proposition

Seriously? R2R DACs need to be on 24/7. That might be a problem for many in these forums.

 

[Nedmundo]

Seriously? R2R DACs need to be on 24/7. That might be a problem for many in these forums.

Even though most of us leave our Wiims on all the time anyway?

 

[Horsey]

Even though most of us leave our Wiims on all the time anyway?

Mine is on 24-7, run by a 5v external power supply.

As for WiiM's next stop, I think the path to Room Correction is simply outstanding and must continue with a I²S output being a necessity with any theoretical WiiM Ultra 2 release.

Would like to see a design that allows for an external power supply. How about couple it with a WiiM external power supply option? You'd get a lot of new customers that route, WiiM.

As for me, using the WiiM Pro via glass toslink to a RME ADI-2 DAC. It's excellent.

 

[harkpabst]

Even though most of us leave our Wiims on all the time anyway?

Where did you get this statistic data from?

 

[adias]

Even though most of us leave our Wiims on all the time anyway?

Good. My comment is based on many posts regarding turning it off daily or even more often than that.