A Draconian Decision

[Maurizio]

I played around right from the start, first with Room Correction, then with Room Fit, and finally with the overlaid RF+ EQ. I created many profiles (too many) with different settings and kept going. One day, I had a flash of inspiration!! But...what am I doing?
I suddenly realized that I was simply not listening to the music anymore. The ear was no longer tuned to listening to the music, but... it was tuned to perceive the slightest differences between the various profiles. Moreover, without ever finding a universally valid profile. At one point A seemed best to me, then D seemed best, and then F seemed best again. A big mess.
To my horror, I discovered that music was not the purpose of listening, but a means of comparing various profiles.
I was horrified. Hence my Draconian decision. I disabled both the RF and the EQ. I went back to listening to music with the system as is. Bottom line? A joy to listen to. I can once again enjoy listening to music by listening to the music, not the stereo.
I'm happy with my decision. These toys are cute and fun, but they're confusing.
I'd already had this experience when I was 20. I added an equalizer to my system. At first, it seemed amazing, but after a while... uhhm, how did it end? I quickly sold the EQ.

Of course, this is my personal experience.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

 

[Aquaman]

I have long decided that my system sounds best when I focus on decent gear and speakers instead of on any EQ settings.
But like with so many others things, people get into a hype about certain features and products without them become unmarketable.
Let the children play.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I played around right from the start, first with Room Correction, then with Room Fit, and finally with the overlaid RF+ EQ. I created many profiles (too many) with different settings and kept going. One day, I had a flash of inspiration!! But...what am I doing?
I suddenly realized that I was simply not listening to the music anymore. The ear was no longer tuned to listening to the music, but... it was tuned to perceive the slightest differences between the various profiles. Moreover, without ever finding a universally valid profile. At one point A seemed best to me, then D seemed best, and then F seemed best again. A big mess.
To my horror, I discovered that music was not the purpose of listening, but a means of comparing various profiles.
I was horrified. Hence my Draconian decision. I disabled both the RF and the EQ. I went back to listening to music with the system as is. Bottom line? A joy to listen to. I can once again enjoy listening to music by listening to the music, not the stereo.
I'm happy with my decision. These toys are cute and fun, but they're confusing.
I'd already had this experience when I was 20. I added an equalizer to my system. At first, it seemed amazing, but after a while... uhhm, how did it end? I quickly sold the EQ.

Of course, this is my personal experience.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

You have finally seen the light, just as I did when I purchased my first WiiM device.

There is no need for all of this RoomFit, or EQ, and that the music sounds so much better without it.

 

[Erebus]

no need for all of this RoomFit

Indeed, I've never used it at all, some 14 months after my first WiiM product purchase. Sounds great to my aging ears!

Season's Greetings everyone.

 

[Wiimer]

RoomFit is the kind of feature you set and forget. But it's hard to forget. I only re-run it to verify operation when RoomFit is updated. When I feel like messing around, I pinch my knee to resist.

Have a wonderful Xmas.

 

[canard]

One area where the effectiveness of correction is truly relevant is... headphones...
In this respect, the PEQ mode of Wiim (even more so if it could be further developed, with gain/auto-gain, balance, and of course, removal of the DRC mode and a few more bands) is really interesting.

High-pass and low-pass filters, efficient management of subwoofer outputs, dsp in sub... comprehensive, easy-to-use, functions.
;-)

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Indeed, I've never used it at all, some 14 months after my first WiiM product purchase. Sounds great to my aging ears!

Season's Greetings everyone.

I have tried it a few times on different devices, and the end result is always the same, it sounds much better with it turned off.

 

[JAB]

Same here. In the meantime I often thought such music reproduction is not mine.
After a while playing with some different, sometimes quite expensive, ways of DSP I gave up. There was no focus on the performance of the artists any longer, but on tiny sound aspects. I felt like the chaser of the next dB change. Did not enjoy this part of the hobby, so I stopped. Nothing but the treble and bass knobs on my amp.
Often to hear was that home fidelity has to get as close as possible to a live concert. Hm, always sitting on the sweet spot? For every musical genre? So, I do not care about a 70Hz dip or a 80 Hz peak any longer. Try to improve your room as far as your partner and your own taste allow and choose speakers that sound like you want it, be it theoretically correct or not. But most important: Listen and enjoy.
Happy Christmas everyone!

 

[QuarryHunslet]

RoomFit is the kind of feature you set and forget. But it's hard to forget. I only re-run it to verify operation when RoomFit is updated. When I feel like messing around, I pinch my knee to resist.

Have a wonderful Xmas.

Yes indeed, and I now feel pretty much the same about RoomFit, I make sure that it is Disabled, and then I forget about it, and also make sure that EQ is Off.

 

[canard]

directly related to these discussions on Wiim signal processing...

The presence of DRC and the resulting impact of DSP processing without precautions , lack of understanding of the precise situation, overload ...(see also the lack of margin for ISP) is in any case very clumsy and probably often counterproductive....

;-)

 

[QuarryHunslet]

One area where the effectiveness of correction is truly relevant is... headphones...
In this respect, the PEQ mode of Wiim (even more so if it could be further developed, with gain/auto-gain, balance, and of course, removal of the DRC mode and a few more bands) is really interesting.

High-pass and low-pass filters, efficient management of subwoofer outputs, dsp in sub... comprehensive, easy-to-use, functions.
;-)

My headphones don't need any correction, or even a fancy headphone amplifier for that matter.

 

[canard]

My headphones don't need any correction, or even a fancy headphone amplifier for that matter.

I invite you to delve deeper into the subject...
;-)
(The subject is much more limited than the complicated management of the acoustics in our rooms...in that respect it's interesting... And our headphones are anything but linear...much less so than many of our speakers...surprising and counterintuitive at first glance ;-) )

 

[hgo58]

There is no need for all of this RoomFit, or EQ, and that the music sounds so much better without it.

I don't agree with this. The RoomFit has corrected the sound on the low frequency part in my setup so it's much more pleasant to listen to now. I didn't spend much time on it but it for sure helped. It's now fixed until I move speakers or furniture next time.

The EQ is applied for low volume listen but disabled for "normal" volumes.

All in all I would not be without it.

 

[gazza1101]

I found with room correction software (i use Dirac), you run it enter the curve you think you would like and then compare it to no room correction and if you prefer the corrected version keep it and don't touch it again unless you change your system

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I invite you to delve deeper into the subject...
;-)
(The subject is much more limited than the complicated management of the acoustics in our rooms...in that respect it's interesting... And our headphones are anything but linear...much less so than many of our speakers...surprising and counterintuitive at first glance ;-) )

I have no desire to, as I am perfectly happy with the sound as they left the factory.

 

[Intruder]

Agree with most of the comments tried it once and we'll the results were terrible, snake oil in my books..

 

[canard]

I have no desire to, as I am perfectly happy with the sound as they left the factory.

OK...
"Don t worry, be happy..."
;-)

(Headphones?...)

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I don't agree with this. The RoomFit has corrected the sound on the low frequency part in my setup so it's much more pleasant to listen to now. I didn't spend much time on it but it for sure helped. It's now fixed until I move speakers or furniture next time.

The EQ is applied for low volume listen but disabled for "normal" volumes.

All in all I would not be without it.

That is perfectly okay with me, but in my case the sound is so much better with RoomFit Disabled, and EQ turned Off.

It is good to have these features available for those who feel they need them, but most important that they can also be disabled for those who don't need or want them.

 

[canard]

Agree with most of the comments tried it once and we'll the results were terrible, snake oil in my books..

A scam... no...
your exaggerated statement is primarily a sign of your misunderstanding of the difficulties and limitations of implementing it effectively on a case-by-case basis...
it's actually much less simple than it might be perceived or presented as... and could even be disappointing...
"in development"


But a scam... for a free offer... "on/off" ...that's going to be difficult.

 

[Intruder]

A scam... no...
your exaggerated statement is primarily a sign of your misunderstanding of the difficulties and limitations of implementing it effectively on a case-by-case basis...
it's actually much less simple than it might be perceived or presented as... and could even be disappointing...
"in development"


But a scam... for a free offer... that's going to be difficult.

Each to their own... For me it's wasted lines of code, time that could be spent better on other things.