A Draconian Decision

Each to their own... For me it's wasted lines of code, time that could be spent better on other things.
Any suggestions for Wiim regarding relevant lines of code?
That's interesting...
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(for me and audio...auto-gain, drc on/off, overload indicator, persistent overload indicator, and negative gain -3db fixed to margin the ISP...
Useful with gec/peq..and roomfit/peq)
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Any suggestions for Wiim regarding relevant lines of code?
(for me auto-gain, drc off, overload indicator, persistent overload indicator, and negative gain -3db fixed to margin the ISP...)
Wiim ultra and videlink to play nicely with each other and not randomly stopping the main speakers leaving the sub thumping away on its own.. I use Plex for music it's ok for my needs, but the much promised endpoint would be better time spent on than room correction or roomfit etc..
 
Wiim ultra and videlink to play nicely with each other and not randomly stopping the main speakers leaving the sub thumping away on its own.. I use Plex for music it's ok for my needs, but the much promised endpoint would be better time spent on than room correction or roomfit etc..
It's funny...
my feeling is precisely that energy is often focused on interfaces, etc., and not enough on the difficult subjects, where they're either not really "equipped" or they've let themselves be "drawn in"... and which drags on for years...

But I agree with you if the idea is to debug the existing system before investing in additional layers.
 
But so true... "Priorities must be ....my priorities"...

that's really, really too common a phrase, a common refrain among the demands we constantly encounter online...
:rolleyes::p
It's difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff for each individual, and... for Wiim too, of course...
 
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But so true... "Priorities must be ....my priorities"...

that's really, really too common a phrase, a common refrain among the demands we constantly encounter online...
:rolleyes::p
But we always have the choice. Complaining or replacing the reason for frustration. 😉
 
(I should clarify that what I'm emphasizing a bit isn't for myself, "problems" , because I know how to get around these things (and am equipped to do so effectively if needed)...but for the collective good ;-) )
 
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There can't be any problems with Roomfit, because it's on/off... but many progress is certainly possible...
And it remains, in any case, a case-by-case situation...
;-)
 
Each to their own... For me it's wasted lines of code, time that could be spent better on other things.
Personally, I regret the lines of code, the energy spent on decorative functions like FFT or VU meter, just for products with Wiim screens (small, barely readable in listening position and which will always perform worse than a tablet, etc.)....
But we have to deal with it... because what sells... Wiim can't ignore it...
;-)))
 
I played around right from the start, first with Room Correction, then with Room Fit, and finally with the overlaid RF+ EQ. I created many profiles (too many) with different settings and kept going. One day, I had a flash of inspiration!! But...what am I doing?
I suddenly realized that I was simply not listening to the music anymore. The ear was no longer tuned to listening to the music, but... it was tuned to perceive the slightest differences between the various profiles. Moreover, without ever finding a universally valid profile. At one point A seemed best to me, then D seemed best, and then F seemed best again. A big mess.
To my horror, I discovered that music was not the purpose of listening, but a means of comparing various profiles.
I was horrified. Hence my Draconian decision. I disabled both the RF and the EQ. I went back to listening to music with the system as is. Bottom line? A joy to listen to. I can once again enjoy listening to music by listening to the music, not the stereo.
I'm happy with my decision. These toys are cute and fun, but they're confusing.
I'd already had this experience when I was 20. I added an equalizer to my system. At first, it seemed amazing, but after a while... uhhm, how did it end? I quickly sold the EQ.

Of course, this is my personal experience.

Happy Holidays to everyone!
IMHO constant comparisons (be it between gear or settings) seems to be a common behaviour among audiophiles.
It seems that through this many forget to listen to music, and instead seem to use music to try and listen to the gear. I don't really see how comparing two DACs or two different speakers is any better than comparing two RoomFit or EQ profiles. None of that counts as music enjoyment in my book (at least not in the sense of appreciating its artistic value).

But as with many things in life, an all-or-nothing attitude usually won't bring optimal results.
RoomFit and EQ are absolutely very useful tools, but only if used appropriately - which unfortunately requires a bit of a learning curve at the start.
But in the end they should be viewed as a set-once-and-forget kind of thing, basically a part of initial system setup, together with optimizing placement and subwoofer integration.
Kind of like we should buy speakers once and then just enjoy music. :)

But I do appreciate this is not trivial, and that many will get poor results in first attempts - especially if using default settings provided by WiiM, and if placement is not optimized first.
Spoken from my own experience, since it took me some months, a few books and a lot of trial and error before I really understood how to do all this correctly and get consistently good results. It was IMHO very much worth it - but then again, I'm much deeper in audio engineering than the average person. :confused:

It is why I try to help people with these topics here - to try and make the learning curve at least slightly less steep for others.
 
IMHO constant comparisons (be it between gear or settings) seems to be a common behaviour among audiophiles.
It seems that through this many forget to listen to music, and instead seem to use music to try and listen to the gear. I don't really see how comparing two DACs or two different speakers is any better than comparing two RoomFit or EQ profiles. None of that counts as music enjoyment in my book (at least not in the sense of appreciating its artistic value).

But as with many things in life, an all-or-nothing attitude usually won't bring optimal results.
RoomFit and EQ are absolutely very useful tools, but only if used appropriately - which unfortunately requires a bit of a learning curve at the start.
But in the end they should be viewed as a set-once-and-forget kind of thing, basically a part of initial system setup, together with optimizing placement and subwoofer integration.
Kind of like we should buy speakers once and then just enjoy music. :)

But I do appreciate this is not trivial, and that many will get poor results in first attempts - especially if using default settings provided by WiiM, and if placement is not optimized first.
Spoken from my own experience, since it took me some months, a few books and a lot of trial and error before I really understood how to do all this correctly and get consistently good results. It was IMHO very much worth it - but then again, I'm much deeper in audio engineering than the average person. :confused:

It is why I try to help people with these topics here - to try and make the learning curve at least slightly less steep for others.
The problem might simply be that we gave the very clumsy impression that a simple solution, "thanks to modernity," can solve complex situations... product aimed at the general public..


Indeed, we need to "lend a hand," as you so often do, and let everyone experiment... without drawing hasty conclusions.
:oops:

Doing it remains complicated and not very successful...and doing it "simply"...even less so...
 
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No, but it wouldn't have made any difference if it had been, other than the money wasted on the calibrated microphone. :)
It makes a massive difference. I used to get dreadful results using a phone mic or even a 3.5mm jack connected iMM6. I even commented on a concert I had downloaded from dimeadozen to say I thought the bass was far too pronounced. When I used a USB mic the issue disappeared 🤣
When used to only flatten bass response I think it is very effective.
 
It makes a massive difference. I used to get dreadful results using a phone mic or even a 3.5mm jack connected iMM6. I even commented on a concert I had downloaded from dimeadozen to say I thought the bass was far too pronounced. When I used a USB mic the issue disappeared 🤣
When used to only flatten bass response I think it is very effective.
That's where the main interest of DSP lies. "Bass"... even if a difference of "20cm " makes a big difference... the benefit will remain relative in any case. ;-)

(And the big bass boost, expected, and standard in cd etc in most of the music consumed... doesn't clearly help.)
 
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Equalizer, Roomfit? My honor would be tarnished 😆. Everything set to zero and it has to sound good. That's what my uncle (guitarist in a beat band in the 60s) taught me in my childhood with my first stereo in the mid-70s 😃. That's how it is and that's how it will stay.
 
Equalizer, Roomfit? My honor would be tarnished 😆. Everything set to zero and it has to sound good. That's what my uncle (guitarist in a beat band in the 60s) taught me in my childhood with my first stereo in the mid-70s 😃. That's how it is and that's how it will stay.
Indeed... and it's simple...
( if that's not the case... just move from one apartment, house, igloo, hut, etc.... easy...)
:cool:
;-)
 
No, but it wouldn't have made any difference if it had been, other than the money wasted on the calibrated microphone. :)
For sure it's making a difference.

My first try with the phone microphone went very badly. Got a Dayton mic and with a few hours of testing I now have the best sound even from my setup.

That may not work for all, of cause.
 
Maybe in the future Wiim will offer a bundle of future devices and a Dayton mini micro USB at a good price (or will have their own version made)
(Dayton can thank Wiim for such prominent promotion of their mini-micro/USB)

;-)

(But there's still work to be done on sub-processing...delay/phase etc...relevant and simple approaches...etc)
 
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