Considering Ultra, looking into using TV to display/control unit when on the couch, and other ?
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hgo58
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A1, yes if you can run apps on the TV like Spotify. There are no video output from the WiiM Ultra, so no direct control.
A2, yes.
To clarify what hgo58 is referring to (I think): controlling an Ultra that streams its own data, without actually sending it audio from the TV, is the highest quality option. This works in apps that are smart enough to control multiple devices. Spotify is one of them; Tidal and Qobuz Connect possibly work the same but I can't vouch for them. The Spotify control of WiiM is wonderfully seamless, more so than on any device I've had before.
If the app doesn't, but a TV app exists, you can send the Ultra audio from the TV. How transparent this is depends on the exact TV; mine resamples to 48khz so I prefer the first route.
A third option is to use Alexa control and the voice remote, this is also very very good on the Ultra. And it only listens when you press. You don't need any Amazon devices in your home.
Initiating a stream with Tidal connect is just as straightforward, but sometimes it'll go out of sync in the sense that the Ultra will continue playing, but the Tidal app is not controlling it anymore.
As for question 1: a tv will always output the audio at 48Khz. This might not be a big deal for you, but it means that the audio is transcoded.
You might be right about this: a quick search suggests that no TVs can pass 44.1khz. That's a shame. I know the HDMI standard can do it, older Chromecasts and current Apple TV both could. Apparently the TV manufacturers don't care about this at all...
Even with 44.1 -> 48khz resampling, some implementations are better than others. Usually you can count on TV OSs to pick faster / worse quality, so if I see 48khz I'm not risking it.
Q1
I should of been a bit more specific, I use Qobuz and love it so no plans to use anything else.
If I can control the Ultra music selection from the TV with the audio only through the Ultra I will be very happy indeed.
This is not a deal breaker but close to it.
I never use Alexa, fully wired setup, no wifi or bt used here by choice.
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Q2
Great, one of the main reasons looking into the Ultra.
Thanks!
Rick
I should of been a bit more specific, I use Qobuz and love it so no plans to use anything else.
If I can control the Ultra music selection from the TV with the audio only through the Ultra I will be very happy indeed.
This is not a deal breaker but close to it.
I never use Alexa, fully wired setup, no wifi or bt used here by choice.
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Q2
Great, one of the main reasons looking into the Ultra.
Thanks!
Rick
hgo58
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If you can define what you mean by control, it would be easier to give a good answer.
dangermouse
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Agreed. I'm still confused by what the OP means by 'control'.
Mr Ee
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Given this statement
"I use Qobuz and love it so no plans to use anything else. If I can control the Ultra music selection from the TV..."
then I reckon the answer is no.
"I use Qobuz and love it so no plans to use anything else. If I can control the Ultra music selection from the TV..."
then I reckon the answer is no.
Yeah, my answer to q1 would have been a “no, unless…” as my initial thought was that TVs don’t support the WiiM app, tv versions of streaming music apps might not support casting and I wouldn’t want the constraints of tv audio to impact the quality of my stream.
Okay, nope, there doesn't seem to be a TV version, according to the Google PlayStore at least...
Maybe he was referring to the WiiM App: TV version absent as well, but maybe this is already in the works as many people would like to have a "now playing" screen for their WiiM devices.
hgo58
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I have an long outstanding request for a browser version of the WiiM Home App.
I don't feel that WiiM will go that way unfortunately.
I think it could solve many of such requests for control from TV, Windows or Linux.
I see zero chance of a WiiM home app for tv - it would need to be developed from the ground up for tv remote rather than screen control and it assumes that the interfaces to third party services are available for use within a browser, inter alia.
A “now playing” display only browser screen might be possible and might address many of these types of requests.
Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated!
To be more clear, as I see I should of been, I just want to be able to browse and pick songs from the TV.
Looks like not possible, unfortunately.
I do have an older but very good screen quality 7" tablet I bought to use with the Pro Plus and it will run the app as was shown by a member her. It I never got around to trying it as too busy on the RV remodel project which I basically should call rebuild as far more than a simple remodel.
It would be easier to use than the tiny screen on the Ultra.
Thanks again!
Rick
To be more clear, as I see I should of been, I just want to be able to browse and pick songs from the TV.
Looks like not possible, unfortunately.
I do have an older but very good screen quality 7" tablet I bought to use with the Pro Plus and it will run the app as was shown by a member her. It I never got around to trying it as too busy on the RV remodel project which I basically should call rebuild as far more than a simple remodel.
It would be easier to use than the tiny screen on the Ultra.
Thanks again!
Rick
hgo58
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Your phone or a tablet is all you need.
Thanks,
I wanted to keep it simple as I can, sitting on the couch being able to change selections using the TV would be nice. It also goes along with not using anything wireless in our place and my eyes are not quite as sharp at close to 73 years of use.
I could use the Ultra display when at my desk where I spend most of the time not working on the remodel but also look up at the TV right above it hanging down from the ceiling on a motorized mount I am going to build(or buy and mod).
Going with a very modern look, minimalist, theme except lots of book shelves for books and mineral specimens we collect. I guess on more little display on the Brazilian green soapstone, very beautiful) desk top (and all counters, vanity, etc) will be OK.
I wanted to keep it simple as I can, sitting on the couch being able to change selections using the TV would be nice. It also goes along with not using anything wireless in our place and my eyes are not quite as sharp at close to 73 years of use.
I could use the Ultra display when at my desk where I spend most of the time not working on the remodel but also look up at the TV right above it hanging down from the ceiling on a motorized mount I am going to build(or buy and mod).
Going with a very modern look, minimalist, theme except lots of book shelves for books and mineral specimens we collect. I guess on more little display on the Brazilian green soapstone, very beautiful) desk top (and all counters, vanity, etc) will be OK.
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