Introducing the WiiM Edition of the Audio Pro A10 MKII and C10 MKII

[vdp]

Agree with you @conn that what you request makes 100% sense and I don't see the use case for this "feature/oversight" neither. Don't have the Audio Pro but long time Sonos (Ones) stereo pair user.

Maybe try to make the use cases and expectations clear between 2 different speakers in few scenarios. My understanding of what you report.

Use case 1: 2 speakers, 1 or 2 rooms, not stereo paired, not grouped: control each speaker volume separately both from app and physical buttons. Working OK.

Use case 2: 2 speakers, 1 or 2 rooms, not stereo paired, grouped: control each speaker volume separately both from app and physical buttons. Working OK.

Use case 3: 2 speakers, 1 room, stereo paired so it should become seen as a single speaker, potentially grouped with other speakers but irrelevant: control speaker volume stereo paired speaker set as one from app working OK but physical buttons still only adjust volume on a single channel. Definitely NOK.

 

[Burnside]

Devices in a group (stereo pair or otherwise) ideally should have an option as to whether their volume control impacts the group or just that device. That should cover most use cases, although there may be a case in a multi room group where you might want individual device volume control as well as group volume control, but perhaps the latter could be reserved for the group’s main speaker or just via the app.

 

[vdp]

No argument against the ability to switch it on/off even for stereo pairs.

Would expect the default setting to be single app/physical button volume controls both stereo paired speakers.
And for non-stereo paired but grouped to keep individual volume control for each speaker.

I actually see the use case for grouped (non stereo paired) speakers to have single volume control for several grouped speakers. But then it would already be tricky as ideal you should be able to configure which speakers in a group have joined volume and which don't... (nested groups?).

I still don't see a single use case for stereo paired speakers with separate volume control. But who knows somebody out there...

 

[QuarryHunslet]

This may seem absurd to some (and yes, count me in), but others have explicitly stated on this forum that they do not want the physical buttons on one member of a stereo pair to affect the other member. Sometimes you cannot please everyone.

Yes, I wouldn't want them to be linked in any way, but believe that a selectable option for either, or behaviour, would probably please most people.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Feels more like a software oversight than design choice.

If it’s a choice then I expect next Amp product to have two volume dials, one each for L and R channels.

That would be very useful, possibly using a sort of dual concentric volume Knob, or even a pair of sliders as were quite popular back in the day.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Who adjusts volume separately in stereo pair and why?

I do, because I Can.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Thanks for the feedback and great discussion everyone! I've talked with the team about syncing volume adjustments for stereo pairs and have shared your feedback. I'll let you know what I hear!

If they do make this an option please have it selectable as individual control, or paired, then that would please most people.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I'm still not seeing the use case for for having them individual...

You wouldn't do.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

It's an oversight, there's no logic to it.... Lol...

In your opinion.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

But is it really that big of a problem?
I mean to take the phone out?
Maybe for most it isn't I assume..
Maybe the logical thing is just take the phone it solves the problem quickly..

The first sensible comment on this trivial matter.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Thanks for your reply..

Back on the subject according to volume control ..a Remote control can be used too for the C10,s.

Are you sure of that?

 

[conn]

I do, because I Can.

I believe this statement pretty much sums up the lack of a real, logical reason behind the issue....

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I believe this statement pretty much sums up the lack of a real, logical reason behind the issue....

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Griff]

I believe this statement pretty much sums up the lack of a real, logical reason behind the issue....

I do understand why you want this function, and the logic from your, and others, point of view, and support this as an option. However, the left and right does not work like that now. It's linked to the multiroom logic where pressing physical volume on a grouped device changes the volume on that device only. That works for me, as a heavy user of the multiroom capability and when I need to I can change the group volume in the WHA. I personally hope that Wiim can add in the function you want without altering the logic already in place.

 

[wiimamp user]

Are you sure of that?

Hello @QuarryHunslet no I'm not..I thought Wiimmer said it could but maybe I did misunderstood it. So I'm not sure.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Hello @QuarryHunslet no I'm not..I thought Wiimmer said it could but maybe I did misunderstood it. So I'm not sure.

I was under the impression that the WiiM Remote Control was not compatible with the AudioPro WiiM Edition speakers.

 

[Burnside]

I was under the impression that the WiiM Remote Control was not compatible with the AudioPro WiiM Edition speakers.

Yeah, there’s no Remote menu in the WiiM home app for them so you don’t have a means of putting them into pairing mode for a remote.

 

[wiimamp user]

I was under the impression that the WiiM Remote Control was not compatible with the AudioPro WiiM Edition speakers.

Your right they aren't. Sorry for this but I think I did misunderstood it.

Yeah, there’s no Remote menu in the WiiM home app for them so you don’t have a means of putting them into pairing mode for a remote.

I think your right i thought they could but i think i did misunderstood it. Sorry..

 

[wiimamp user]

What are you,re experiences owning the , regular, version speakers of Audiopro? Being it a A10, C10 or another model according to updating the software or making more options available with the software?
I think its important.
I own for instance a Dali bleutooth headphone. I,m pleased with it but the options within the software a very little..maybe you could say lacking. Other brands in the 'middle'segment(chinese brands) do much more within the software segment.. Dali a well respected brand but in this matter i would think they could do more. No app to tweak certain things. No multipoint..older bleutooth version..

Think other high end brands what are they doing? The intentions are there but then..what do they do with it? Take Denon with their HEOS.. do they know how important software is that is working all the time? Couldn,t some brands do more on this subject in the high end market?
But ok glady we have Wiim who understands this very well..excellent hardware, software and support en there are constantly developing,tweaking their software. All this for a very good price.

Thats why i wonder how a brand like audiopro is acting on this subject. They focus on wifi and have the linkplay app..so the potential is there to offer a lot. The potential..but what do you do with it in practice..
Hardware and software support very important i think.

 

[Hazenhart]

I've posted several times on this. AudioPro does not devote anywhere near the same energy to firmware and software updates as WiiM. Not even close. That said, they're still LinkPlay devices and the core network functionality of the WiiM Home App is still there for the AudioPro devices -- at least for my use. Where the features disappear is at the firmware level with the devices -- things like room correction and more elaborate eq-ing. I've even encouraged my wife to utilize the AudioPro app rather than the WiiM Home app because it's simpler and she is less likely to inadvertently mess with my settings . One could argue that there a continuum between stagnant non-functional support and non-functional ever-changing software. AudioPro is definitely on the one end, pursing a strong and simple approach to their products, at the risk of losing out on attractive features. WiiM is squarely at the other end with constant tweaking in pursuit of more and better features, at the risk of making something weak and complicated.

What are you,re experiences owning the , regular, version speakers of Audiopro? Being it a A10, C10 or another model according to updating the software or making more options available with the software?
I think its important.
I own for instance a Dali bleutooth headphone. I,m pleased with it but the options within the software a very little..maybe you could say lacking. Other brands in the 'middle'segment(chinese brands) do much more within the software segment.. Dali a well respected brand but in this matter i would think they could do more. No app to tweak certain things. No multipoint..older bleutooth version..
Think other high end brands what are they doing? The intentions are there but then..what do they do with it? Take Denon with their HEOS.. do they know how important software is that is working all the time? Couldn,t some brands do more on this subject in the high end market?
But ok glady we have Wiim who understands this very well..excellent hardware, software and support en there are constantly developing,tweaking their software. All this for a very good price.

Thats why i wonder how a brand like audiopro is acting on this subject. They focus on wifi and have the linkplay app..so the potential is there to offer a lot. The potential..but what do you do with it in practice..
Hardware and software support very important i think.