Unlisted Local music sounds allways better

[mikel]

Hi,
Why oh why local music sounds allways the best? I have tried all music services including the newest Spotify Loseless. I would like to avoid loosing hours for searching and downloading all music files to my NAS but... It is what it is. Without the doubt local music files sounds better. From any music streaming service music lacks detail that is present on local files. Loss of detail, shorter resonances of instruments and room ambience. Are every streaming service is cutting this information to save bandwidth? Once you realize that you just can't listen Diana Krall, Patricia Barber or Pink Floyd because you know there should be more notes flying around your room!
My streamer is Wiim Pro Plus. Its a great player and I love it along with great software and firmware! But... Is it a Player thing or is it something else?

Edit:
You don't hear a difference between local and streaming? Thats fine! Just move on to the next interesting thread. I'm looking for advice. Not for "it's BIAS" suggestion.

 

[d6jg]

Hi,
Why oh why local music sounds allways the best? I have tried all music services including the newest Spotify Loseless. I would like to avoid loosing hours for searching and downloading all music files to my NAS but... It is what it is. Without the doubt local music files sounds better. From any music streaming service music lacks detail that is present on local files. Loss of detail, shorter resonances of instruments and room ambience. Are every streaming service is cutting this information to save bandwidth? Once you realize that you just can't listen Diana Krall, Patricia Barber or Pink Floyd because you know there should be more notes flying around your room!
My streamer is Wiim Pro Plus. Its a great player and I love it along with great software and firmware! But... Is it a Player thing or is it something else?

Assuming you are comparing like for like i.e. the same release, same mastering at the same resolution and at the same volume then no it isn't a player thing it is something else. Expectation bias.

 

[mikel]

Assuming you are comparing like for like i.e. the same release, same mastering at the same resolution and at the same volume then no it isn't a player thing it is something else. Expectation bias.

Of course.

 

[r5yk5]

Hi,
Why oh why local music sounds allways the best? I have tried all music services including the newest Spotify Loseless. I would like to avoid loosing hours for searching and downloading all music files to my NAS but... It is what it is. Without the doubt local music files sounds better. From any music streaming service music lacks detail that is present on local files. Loss of detail, shorter resonances of instruments and room ambience. Are every streaming service is cutting this information to save bandwidth? Once you realize that you just can't listen Diana Krall, Patricia Barber or Pink Floyd because you know there should be more notes flying around your room!
My streamer is Wiim Pro Plus. Its a great player and I love it along with great software and firmware! But... Is it a Player thing or is it something else?

Well I've been listening to music on iBroadcast lately. Which is my local music, uploaded to that streaming service, then streamed back to me localy. I'm not sure where that fits in but it sounds the same to me

 

[mikel]

Well I've been listening to music on iBroadcast lately. Which is my local music, uploaded to that streaming service, then streamed back to me localy. I'm not sure where that fits in but it sounds the same to me

Lucky you. Envy.

 

[Burnside]

It could well be because your local music has been ripped from CDs that have been mastered for CD rather than for streaming services I.e. you’re not necessarily comparing like with like. It’s entirely a personal opinion which sounds better for you in your listening environment.

 

[mikel]

It could well be because your local music has been ripped from CDs that have been mastered for CD rather than for streaming services I.e. you’re not necessarily comparing like with like. It’s entirely a personal opinion which sounds better for you in your listening environment.

Logical inconsistency. How can you preffer less information provided in music?

 

[Burnside]

Logical inconsistency. How can you preffer less information provided in music?

I’ve not expressed a preference, you have.

 

[mikel]

I’ve not expressed a preference, you have.

I totally disagree with what you said in your first post and the second post as interpretation to the first Thank you for your opinion but it is not what I'm looking for.

 

[slartibartfast]

Logical inconsistency. How can you preffer less information provided in music?

Streaming services generally have the latest remasters which are often louder and more compressed than the originals.

 

[mikel]

Streaming services generally have the latest remasters which are often louder and more compressed than the originals.

So.. are we lost? Should we start hunting for rich full of details music files like vinyl guys hunts for unicorn vinyl records?

 

[Patagonia]

Hi,
Why oh why local music sounds allways the best? I have tried all music services including the newest Spotify Loseless. I would like to avoid loosing hours for searching and downloading all music files to my NAS but... It is what it is. Without the doubt local music files sounds better. From any music streaming service music lacks detail that is present on local files. Loss of detail, shorter resonances of instruments and room ambience. Are every streaming service is cutting this information to save bandwidth? Once you realize that you just can't listen Diana Krall, Patricia Barber or Pink Floyd because you know there should be more notes flying around your room!
My streamer is Wiim Pro Plus. Its a great player and I love it along with great software and firmware! But... Is it a Player thing or is it something else?

Edit:
You don't hear a difference between local and streaming? Thats fine! Just move on to the next interesting thread. I'm looking for advice. Not for "it's BIAS" suggestion.

Qobuz and Tidal have ben tested to be the exact same file as its correspondant master in CD (not spotify to date) If using those services then any difference is probably coming from hardware/software configuration preventing bit perfect playback, this could come things like not forcing streaming to be bit perfect (changing on the fly due to connection quality) to poor streamer implementation, or any dsp such as normalization, eq, etc, etc…try to check all your chain to spot flaws.

What is your chain at this moment?

Here lossless streaming quality testing

 

[gazza1101]

Are you playing back on a cd player?

 

[merifon]

So.. are we lost? Should we start hunting for rich full of details music files like vinyl guys hunts for unicorn vinyl records?

Not always, but it's certainly a fact that many streaming masters are designed to sound loud, ultimately triggering the various services' automatic limiters. Since the volumes of different tracks can vary quite a bit, if you focus on the ones that sound quieter than the others, it's possible (but not certain) that they're masters that are more up to spec. CDs also generally sound louder than their specs, but often quieter than their streaming counterparts. Of course, it's assumed they're the same edition. The differences are only here, because under normal conditions, there's no reason why different digital media can't convey the same content.

 

[Patagonia]

So.. are we lost? Should we start hunting for rich full of details music files like vinyl guys hunts for unicorn vinyl records?

For too many albums I would say unfortunately yes, only way is to track down an early cd or vinyl (both which can suffer from other problems), or maybe a Playstation master on some remarkable cases ahahahah

Patagonia, the I “have it on vinyl” guy

 

[mikel]

For too many albums I would say unfortunately yes, only way is to track down an early cd or vinyl (both which can suffer from other problems), or maybe a Playstation master on some remarkable cases ahahahah

Patagonia, the I “have it on vinyl” guy

Sounds funny but I have Playstation Master (guitar hero) of Metallica's Death Magnetic. Souds much better than the oryginal one.