Native DSD support via USB

Devon

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I bought a Wiim Ultra for DSD files, unfortunately the files downloaded from the DLNA server are converted by Wiim Ultra to PCM 192/24. Is there any way to add full DSD support via USB output? Are there any hardware limitations of the Wiim Ultra or is it just a software issue?
 
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Actually, "we" don't need that. ;)

Few want it. Two upvotes for this feature request don't indicate otherwise.

You don't actually know that, and are assuming many things including that any high % of members here even see that upvote icon is available in the site UI. It doesn't exactly stand out.
You also assume that every single person who buys an Ultra and would like/use DSD passthrough on it is actually a member here and would post about feature requests. Lots of folks who buy a product such as the Ultra never register for any forum at all.
 
You don't actually know that, and are assuming many things including that any high % of members here even see that upvote icon is available in the site UI. It doesn't exactly stand out.
You also assume that every single person who buys an Ultra and would like/use DSD passthrough on it is actually a member here and would post about feature requests. Lots of folks who buy a product such as the Ultra never register for any forum at all.
I don't assume anything except that "we" doesn't count in "me". And just like you I don't make any assumptions about those just buying the Ultra from Amazon, without ever visiting any forum or Facebook group.

I don't care about those who can't detect neither the upvote button nor the line button. Those who can and use it are definitely "few".
 
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Why would someone who uses room correction when listening to their FLAC library be prepared to give up the clear benefits of room correction when listening to DSF files? I always insisted on native DSD before getting a WiiM Amp and concluding that transcoding to PCM wasn't so bad after all.
 
Why would someone who uses room correction when listening to their FLAC library be prepared to give up the clear benefits of room correction when listening to DSF files? I always insisted on native DSD before getting a WiiM Amp and concluding that transcoding to PCM wasn't so bad after all.
As described above, because they like the sound of DSD and, because some music is only available as DSD, including music people rip from their SACDs.
 
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Why would someone who uses room correction when listening to their FLAC library be prepared to give up the clear benefits of room correction when listening to DSF files? I always insisted on native DSD before getting a WiiM Amp and concluding that transcoding to PCM wasn't so bad after all.
As described above, because they like the sound of DSD and, because some music is only available as DSD, including music people rip from their SACDs.
Presumably DSD is for people with fully treated, fully dedicated listening rooms, near-perfect-measuring speakers, and perfect speaker placement.

And then there’s the rest of us norm-core peoples with their average systems in actual living spaces, which actually need some degree of room correction to sound good. For us, everything might as well be (converted to) PCM anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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As described above, because they like the sound of DSD and, because some music is only available as DSD, including music people rip from their SACDs.
If they like the sound of DSD they will still like it when transcoded to PCM. It most likely isn't the format but the mastering that they prefer.
 
to be honest ... to get the very best out of the file we should use active speaker with usb-in because cinch will always be analog and the "quality-bottleneck" ... but there are not many on the market and the price ...
 
to be honest ... to get the very best out of the file we should use active speaker with usb-in because cinch will always be analog and the "quality-bottleneck" ... but there are not many on the market and the price ...
The DAC is inside the speaker(s) in this example. The poweramp section still needs an analog signal. There are almost no "real" digital amplifiers like Lyngdorf does it and non inside active speakers that I know of.
 
If they like the sound of DSD they will still like it when transcoded to PCM. It most likely isn't the format but the mastering that they prefer.
Some people like the sound of their DSD music played directly in DSD and not converted to PCM. Some people like equalized and room corrected music and some do not. There are too many variables to definitively say why. They real topic is simply whether Wiim will support a passthrough capability for those you like native DSD.
 
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The DAC is inside the speaker(s) in this example. The poweramp section still needs an analog signal. There are almost no "real" digital amplifiers like Lyngdorf does it and non inside active speakers that I know of.
I'm not aware of how Lyngdorf does it, but is it like Linn's Exakt technology where I understand they deliver the signal from their streamers over direct ethernet-like connections to Exakt cards in their speakers where all the DAC/amplification takes place?
 
I'm not aware of how Lyngdorf does it, but is it like Linn's Exakt technology where I understand they deliver the signal from their streamers over direct ethernet-like connections to Exakt cards in their speakers where all the DAC/amplification takes place?
In short Lyngdorf modulates the power section with a direct digital signal and so a DAC is not needed. Very clever engineering but the question is if this technical achievement is actually needed or is it a case of "Why not do it if we can". If I remember correctly they had an early model working amplifier using this technique in the early 2000's. Linn was (and still is) very active (pun intended) early on with proprietary digital connections to some of their speaker models but as far as I know the amplifiers inside are class A/B or class D designs so there need to be a DAC somewhere in the chain.
 
I found a few "full digital solutions" for example clarion in car hifi (chip inside the speakers) or B&O with its own wifi or radio transmission protocol but they also maxed out at 96kHz/192kHz ...
 
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