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That's interesting. I have not only the Wiim connected via Wi-Fi, but also the router itself via cellular net. Does that mean I'm hearing interference from the entire district?
Powering WiiM Pro Plus with a power bank
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Interesting!Hmm lots of talk about Chord here. just looked at measurements of a $14K Chord DAC. Sorry, anyone who pays $14K for this thing is a damned fool. Its engineer isn't a very good at engineering. I wouldn't listen to a thing he says, honestly.
Chord DAVE Review (DAC & HP Amp)
This is a review, detailed measurements and listening tests of CHORD DAVE combination DAC and headphone amplifier. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $14,000. Having been frustrated with the user interface of lower end Chord products with their color Morse codes, I was really looking...
Especially that nobody from the „power bank“ side has a feedback on this…
Nothing childish about my post.
I believe in facts and science.
If the OP believes they hear a difference then good luck to them but please don’t make claims that cannot be substantiated by proper scientific and engineering process.
Bringing up flat-earth or cheese-moon comparisons isn’t helpful here. It shifts the discussion away from the actual issue and toward name-calling. I’d prefer we stick to discussing the claim itself and keep things respectful.
We disagree let’s leave it at that
You implicitly misunderstood. Not only the one post but the entire conversation pointing to specific, inexpensive battery-powered solutions for WiiM products.You said in #90:
Having read this and your earlier post, I understood it to implicitly suggest that your system is superior. Naturally, the word 'superior' wasn't used, but I think it conveys the same meaning.
I'm not taking sides, nor do I intend to argue, but your comment simply struck me as a little odd. My apologies if my understanding is mistaken.
It's about a simple solution for better audio. It's not about a charged word like "superior" entering the chat. Look how the denialists have reacted? You'd think I was proposing some cable for $2,000.
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Wow, "implicitly misunderstood..." & "Not only the one post but the entire conversation..." Making assumptions and attacking someone who is always nice and helpful replying in his usual polite way. You sir are a complete @ss!
Nobody ever said anything about the costs. And the term denialist will come directly back at you.
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Wasn’t talking to you, Hans.
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It's not
Wasn't talking to Hans. It was addressing someone else. Everyone is free to clarify factual points.
Sorry, Fletch, I humbly disagree and think the low entry cost, say of a TalentCell for under $50 with a battery powered WiiM will show otherwise in many if not most users' audio setups. YMMV.
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Prove it ))
Done. Folks can watch the video of Rob Watts posted earlier in this thread
at the bottom of page 7. 
BowsAndArrows
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are you sure about that? https://rme-audio.de/dps-2.html
The bloody snake-oil salesmen at RME are at it again - hawking their finest most snakeyest of oils i guess?
in fact i have it on good authority that @cc_rider only bought his RME because of the special sauce. or oil... he prefers it to the 100 DACs that measure better than it on ASR... what a lunatic!!
but all jokes aside: i've brought this up before in a different thread, but it's useful to repeat... for all the people on both sides of the discussion - go look at the gear you own and ask yourself where it's absolutely clear to you that improving x in my system will result in y of improvement. i'm sure that we can find some common ground
for simplicity let's take speakers. most people agree that changing speakers can have a significant effect on sound. right? ok - now ask yourself what makes a particular speaker better than another. and then keep going deeper - go read the marketing material about your own speakers, compare this material to your old speakers that don't sound as good. what you'll realise is that when you are looking at the bleeding edge of development of any particular design feature/component etc - there is not much consensus on how to improve. and honestly this kind of makes sense because there is no incentive for a manufacturer to share explicitly what they found with others.
just go and look at what the engineers at these companies are working on. i mean people like to trot out these ASR measurements as some sort of proof that a chord DAC is somehow not worth the money because a topping measures better... and that there are mountains of money to be made by shilling snake oil. like wtf? really? c'mon lads - these are highly competitive industries with almost zero support if you fail in the marketplace. while it doesn't ensure that there aren't any bad actors at all - surely this process of intense competition will do something to weed out the time wasters over time? we may be audiofools in your eyes, but we still had to hand over our money to these charlatans ourselves - nobody forced us....
also if you are complaining about chord and other high end manufacturers - then why aren't you complaining about fosi audio trying to peddle snake oil like opamp rolling?? (they don't even make any extra money off anyone opamp rolling) why not just roll the ZD3/ZA3 out, let it smash the ASR tests and let youtube hype take care of the rest... why unnecesarily peddle snake oil as well?? (i guess it could all be a ploy to make people void their warranties? but hey even i'm not that cynical to believe that's their real motivation)
do you see what i mean? if you go sufficiently deep into the weeds on almost ANY product in audio that is claimed to be performant - you will end up in an area with little consensus. high end or low-end.
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also, there's no reason to get overly tribal in here and let things upset you personally. if some of us are ignorant fools, then so what?
log off the internet, relax, and revel in your own superiority...
let's try find common ground and share experiences.
log off the internet, relax, and revel in your own superiority...
let's try find common ground and share experiences.
No doubt here on the RME. As noted previous, no lps impact. They said that in their own forum but I did try it before seeing their prelates posts.are you sure about that? https://rme-audio.de/dps-2.html
The bloody snake-oil salesmen at RME are at it again - hawking their finest most snakeyest of oils i guess?
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in fact i have it on good authority that @cc_rider only bought his RME because of the special sauce. or oil... he prefers it to the 100 DACs that measure better than it on ASR... what a lunatic!!
but all jokes aside: i've brought this up before in a different thread, but it's useful to repeat... for all the people on both sides of the discussion - go look at the gear you own and ask yourself where it's absolutely clear to you that improving x in my system will result in y of improvement. i'm sure that we can find some common ground
for simplicity let's take speakers. most people agree that changing speakers can have a significant effect on sound. right? ok - now ask yourself what makes a particular speaker better than another. and then keep going deeper - go read the marketing material about your own speakers, compare this material to your old speakers that don't sound as good. what you'll realise is that when you are looking at the bleeding edge of development of any particular design feature/component etc - there is not much consensus on how to improve. and honestly this kind of makes sense because there is no incentive for a manufacturer to share explicitly what they found with others.
just go and look at what the engineers at these companies are working on. i mean people like to trot out these ASR measurements as some sort of proof that a chord DAC is somehow not worth the money because a topping measures better... and that there are mountains of money to be made by shilling snake oil. like wtf? really? c'mon lads - these are highly competitive industries with almost zero support if you fail in the marketplace. while it doesn't ensure that there aren't any bad actors at all - surely this process of intense competition will do something to weed out the time wasters over time? we may be audiofools in your eyes, but we still had to hand over our money to these charlatans ourselves - nobody forced us....
also if you are complaining about chord and other high end manufacturers - then why aren't you complaining about fosi audio trying to peddle snake oil like opamp rolling?? (they don't even make any extra money off anyone opamp rolling) why not just roll the ZD3/ZA3 out, let it smash the ASR tests and let youtube hype take care of the rest... why unnecesarily peddle snake oil as well?? (i guess it could all be a ploy to make people void their warranties? but hey even i'm not that cynical to believe that's their real motivation)
do you see what i mean? if you go sufficiently deep into the weeds on almost ANY product in audio that is claimed to be performant - you will end up in an area with little consensus. high end or low-end.
Some keep requesting a LPS. They made one. Next!
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Interesting Manley labs been moving to Switching PS even for they tube gear claiming they are better than their old school sturdy PS...but they are even more expensive! My favorite phono-pre (that I regret selling) it's like a thousand dollars more now with the new PS.
EveAnna herself explains why they believe it's better from minute 38, if you have time the whole video is very interesting
EveAnna herself explains why they believe it's better from minute 38, if you have time the whole video is very interesting
Obviously this „high-end“ switching PS is far away from the low-cost external China gear. And obviously not every HIFI component is equaly sensitive to noise from PS. Tube Amps also obviously - are!
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Wise words. Though invincible ignorance combined with overweening arrogance (no names), can be extremely irritating.
Hence rambling threads like this one.
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