the Ultra powers the SU1
"re-clocking" the Ultra digital out ?
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Hang on. You mean to tell me you are powering the re-clocker with dirty USB power straight from inside the WiiM Ultra? No no no! What are you thinking? Get yourself to your nearest iFi Audio dealer and ask them for the iPower Elite. There’s a 5V model and it’s only $300. It’s a total waste to re-clock the WiiM Ultra (trash! we hates it, precious!) by feeding the oscillator crystal inside of the SU-1 that’s made from a unicorn kidney stone with dirty power.
funny. read my previous messages here. i'm using the SU1 as a DAC , not a reclocker . but let me laugh a minute
The other people here are using their SMSL units as an external DAC too, but they added the fancy “re-clocker” label to it make it seem like it’s anything but completely redundant and pointless.
Ground loops, however, are very audible and worth eliminating, and can be difficult to track down. Gotta ask, does optical out of the WiiM not solve the problem?
My two cents...
The ears (perhaps even more than the eyes) are the most easily fooled organs, the auditory memory is the most foolable and influenced by a thousand emotional and external factors. When it comes to comparing differences of infinitesimal orders of magnitude, even the time that passes between listening, stopping, disconnecting, changing the connection and restarting, makes it totally unreliable. For this reason I generally distrust those who claim to clearly perceive such differences, perhaps in environments not properly treated which, with their reflections, improbable RT60, uncontrolled resonant nodes and why not, questionable personal preferences, would cover any slight deviation from the correct use. After years of work in the studio (now a lifetime ago unfortunately), I would recommend directing the greatest efforts into the passive and active correction of the environment/speaker integration and forgetting the urban legends...
The ears (perhaps even more than the eyes) are the most easily fooled organs, the auditory memory is the most foolable and influenced by a thousand emotional and external factors. When it comes to comparing differences of infinitesimal orders of magnitude, even the time that passes between listening, stopping, disconnecting, changing the connection and restarting, makes it totally unreliable. For this reason I generally distrust those who claim to clearly perceive such differences, perhaps in environments not properly treated which, with their reflections, improbable RT60, uncontrolled resonant nodes and why not, questionable personal preferences, would cover any slight deviation from the correct use. After years of work in the studio (now a lifetime ago unfortunately), I would recommend directing the greatest efforts into the passive and active correction of the environment/speaker integration and forgetting the urban legends...
YEP!!!
If a person hears something then they hear something. It is what they hear, even if you claim that the person has been "fooled". The human auditory system is indeed complicated, but the end result is that people hear what they hear. And different people hear the same sounds differently. The idea that what a person hears is somehow wrong does not make sense. It is what the person hears and, in the end, isn't that what matters?
EddNog
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More importantly, placebo or not, if it makes them happier, then that justifies it, right? After all, we're just here to be happy. Nothing we do in this hobby (within reasonable financial bounds) will harm anyone physically.
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Sure, anyone can have its own experience from listening and say anything about it but this not change the reliability that he could have and the trust someone could put on him. That's the reason why I don't like impressionists reviews. On other side, once someone got enough esperience on production side and in "controlled live set up" he can have an idea of how to try to get the maximum from its set up and if this worth it and generally decide what it's making sense to work about.
It surely does. Our own reality is the only one we have. Nothing wrong with this approach.
But it's even better to know and accept how (individually) prone we are to the lack of reliability and (often) repeatability our auditory systems allows us. What might be a " vast improvement" in my real perception can and really most like is irrelevant to other listeners in different conditions.
You can argue that this is still OK as long as those trying out recommended tweaks still get the same personal improvement in reception. I'd call this a touchy subject, because if we agree on this as the only measure, we have absolutely nothing left to fight snake oil, the real bullshitty flavour.
In the end, their are lots of opinions out there and an individual has to figure out which opinions match with their experience. The are audio reviewers (and wine reviewers, for example) who I trust more than others, since their opinions best match my experiences. That does not make one right and one wrong. After all, we are human beings, not scientific measuring gear. I am fine with people expressing different opinions. I am less happy when people tell other people they simply must be wrong. In the end, we like what we like and that is what makes us individuals.
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What you’re really saying is you find some writers more effectively bias your super-unreliable auditory sense than other writers. Subjective reviewers are all either completely full of it, or they approach their job like a horoscope writer where the goal is anyone reads it and says “that’s me!”
it does. and I wrote:
"so I hooked up the SU1 DAC to spdif out and it works great (no noises)."
i wanted to see how the Ultra "reacts" to DAC connected on USB
dangermouse
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Some people need to get out more.
(I'll now don my tin hat and go hide behind the couch)
(I'll now don my tin hat and go hide behind the couch)
Actually, I think Wiim should ban these subjectivist/objectivist discussions from the forum. These discussions have been going on for years and never get anywhere. They simply distract from the purpose here.
