Room Correction and REL sub

I was actually considering this setup anyway - have the Onkyo at fixed volume & use the Wiim remote to adjust volume. Am going to be connecting my cd player via RCA and my TV via optical to the Wiim anyway, so that could work

That would be ok if the DAC in the Wiim is better than the CD Player.

Would be better if you had the Ultra as that would allow you to use high pass/subwoofer pre out. Although still not ideal it's sort of a bodge. A new integrated amp with high pass/subwoofer pre out would be better in some ways. Ideally one with subwoofer delay since you are lacking that. In other words a avr or av pre amp.

Wiim Amp pro could be one option.

Another could be a seperate high pass box, like outlaw icbm-1

I'm using high pass

Source---> pre amp---->outlaw icbm-1---->power amp---->speakers
outaw icbm1----> antimode---->subwoofer
 
I imagine the DAC will be just fine (have got an old Marantz CD5005). Anyway, doubt my ears would be able to tell the difference between DACs. Am not looking to get the Ultra/Amp or any other upgrade, I've spent enough time/money, just want to enjoy the music! I'll dial in the sub again, set that range in RC settings and take it from there I think. And if the results are still terrible, I'll revert to plain old EQ.
 
The only way of getting the sub to match in timing with the speakers is to physically move the subwoofer around, but the location of the sub in phase may not be the best location of the subwoofer. And vice versa.

Ideally you want the subwoofer in the best location, then adjust phase to blend it in, then perform a combined ~40hz-300hz correction, only cutting the peaks, not boosting. Working out where to start correction is more tricky as you need measurement equipment.,

Would be good idea to use REW/UMIK to determine subwoofer response, speaker response, how moving the sub interacts with the overall response, then working out where to perfom correction.

One you don't want to do is boost 20hz-30hz, as neither your sub or speakers can reproduce those frequencies, so you'll be driving them way past the limits.

The Wiim measurement EQ process will show you some info, but you'll have to do a few runs, take screenshots. It's like like REW you can do a dozen or so responses, and compare measurements.

If the Wiim had RTA, you could have the subwoofer on a dolly, move it around the room and wherever the summed response is flattest that is the best location, at least with the limitation of the rel not having phase.

I believe Anthem ARC in their products do have a RTA function, quick measure where it sends a sustained noise
 
Ideally you want the subwoofer in the best location, blend it in, then perform a combined ~40hz-300hz correction, only cutting the peaks, not boosting.
This is what I plan to do, no more no less. I read about only cutting peaks, will keep that in mind. Anything else is either way too complicated and/or I just don't understand it!...or involves equipment I don't have and won't spend money on. Can't do REW, I don't have anything to download it to. And I already have a usb mic, so will try RC based on results using that. Am not after perfect results, my ears are too old for that! Thanks for your time though!
 
A tip for doing measurements when you do not have a laptop/pc for REW is to use the Housecurve app and connect your USB mic via a usb hub to either your phone or ipad etc.
 
A tip for doing measurements when you do not have a laptop/pc for REW is to use the Housecurve app and connect your USB mic via a usb hub to either your phone or ipad etc.
I don't own any iOS devices so Housecurve is no go sadly. I have just got Audio Tool for Android, but the guide is impenetrable and can't find zero stuff online about it
 
Yes I did see that. Again, even the forum is pretty impenetrable for someone who doesn't understand most of this stuff. The app has so many settings I don't know where to start. Do you have it? Any tips for a basic room measurement? Or is that too vague a request for a complicated subject
 
Yes I did see that. Again, even the forum is pretty impenetrable for someone who doesn't understand most of this stuff. The app has so many settings I don't know where to start. Do you have it? Any tips for a basic room measurement? Or is that too vague a request for a complicated subject
I do have it. I don't play test sweeps or pink noise from the app though. I downloaded files from REW to play back manually while measuring the response in AudioTool. There is a manual which might help. You can get a room measurement with the settings in the screenshot and then playing a full frequency sweep.

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@ginger ninja: just go ahead and try! It is not as complicated as some might put it. You have already plenty of info by now. Try it, listen, and take it from there…
 
Ok, have run EC with the range 40hz to 400hz, using B&K. Here are the results - can anyone comment if anything odd stands out? Sound wise, it's a bit...muddy in the mids/treble, bass isnt giving me much impact either.
 

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Looks good to me. No obvious flaws.

I would just listen and get used to it for a while.

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Except for the microphones flawed frequency response above 4 kHz, of course. But this is not going to do any harm, it's just a display issue, if you restrict RC to much lower frequcies.
 
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Actually, one thing I did notice: the RC didn't pick up the mic being plugged in (hope an update hasn't caused this), I will give the port a good scraping and see if it works
 
Ok, have run EC with the range 40hz to 400hz, using B&K. Here are the results - can anyone comment if anything odd stands out? Sound wise, it's a bit...muddy in the mids/treble, bass isnt giving me much impact either.

For me this looks reasonable too!
In mids/treble has not been corrected at all, so it should sound the same!
Bass should come now much cleaner and tighter!
Try to go a bit deeper - as you have a sub - to 30 Hz - just to try!
Also, try what I suggested - increase the gain on the sub by ca 6dB - ore are you doing this in this setup already? Crossover 80Hz.
It looks a bit nervous! Try with smoothing 1/3 octave - for a try.
Also try R/L RC!
 
Not as easy as that, REL subs work on individual rooms and are tuned by ear, you can't set crossover to 80hz, for example. I will try increasing gain though and re-running.
 
Actually, one thing I did notice: the RC didn't pick up the mic being plugged in (hope an update hasn't caused this), I will give the port a good scraping and see if it works
If it didn't recognise it explicitly says that the internal microphone has been used. Did it really do that?

In previous versions of the WiiM Home app it would not display the microphone used at all when doing independent left/right correction (it did use external microphones, though, just as with stereo correction). I haven't tried this with WHA 3.1.2 yet.
 
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