Spotify Spotify "Supremium"

Spotify doesn't fear Qobuz or Tidal or Deezer but Amazon and Apple have very deep pockets and if they offer it at the same price Spotify will have to at some point.
 
D1N0 said:
Spotify doesn't fear Qobuz or Tidal or Deezer but Amazon and Apple have very deep pockets and if they offer it at the same price Spotify will have to at some point.
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Or just the other way around:
Spotify got away with not offering lossless (at whatever price) so far, even after Apple and Amazon made their move. The vast majority of their customers don't care at all.
 
Mike in NY said:
Since they've never actually been profitable with previous pricing plans and despite conquering the mass market, offering lossless would not be likely to make a profit either, but it would perhaps entice/attract some of the niche high-end subscribers currently using TIDAL or Qobuz, if not Amazon or Apple Music.

Spotify has 236 million subscribers, Qobuz has 200,000. Does Spotify care about that kind of market share? I suspect they do if they've twice in seven years announced lossless as coming soon, they even briefly beta tested it in spring 2017. But they also probably thought they could easily charge more for it, and that plan has been torpedoed by the heavies in the room. Why they would continue to say publicly that lossless will be offered when there doesn't appear to be any way to actually monetize it is a mystery. They would gain more respect if they announced those plans have been withdrawn.
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I have no idea what it'd cost them to develop but I would have thought it'd be a large 'ish one off cost which in terms of their overall revenue I would have thought was fairly miniscule and costs can be offset against profit.

A company with as few subscribers as Qobuz has managed to do it .... so why can't they.

Whilst everybody seems to love their app and algo for suggested music .... when the other companies develop their app / algo to the same level the playing field may change and in today's market, it'll happen so quickly they'll be behind the curve and unable to keep up.

If you don't move with the times you become the dinosaur, they could of been the market leaders on high res / pricing but have chosen not.

Probably find the current directors bonuses are tied into cost vs income and like the goverment in the UK don't give a shit about the long term future.
 
I think spotify is as large as it is for the same reason cola or mcdonalds is, they make fine, but not perfect products, however everyone knows exactly what they get with them.
 
I think their AI capabilities are very good. They have al lot to offer.
But is Tidal making profits then?
Isnt i also dependent on who wants to pay not only for high res but are the willing to pay for 320Kbps even?
I dont want ads and i do want to pay for quality..thats why i have youtube premium also for listening to music but here i want to watch video without ads.
Spotify has to do with youtube too according how to make a profit for them.
With ads is freely available.
Why cant they use their influence for making more profit and offering supremium( with audiobooks) for a decent price.
The difference between free and paying becomes bigger and if the price is right..why not. Let say it costs 13.99 it would be a good price i think. I would pay for it.
Or offer a subscription for a year with a discount?? Now its per month..every month you can cancel but why not thinking about al subription for a year with a discount for subpremium? Enough audiobooks is also a selling point i think.
 
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I have been wrestling with this over last couple of days since getting the WiiM Amp and pairing with some second-hand Q Acoustics 2050i'speakers...

I am a long time Spotify subscriber and have a family plan, so I have to keep it for the family whether I choose to use it or not... Yesterday I took out the one-month free trial for Amazon HD and was keen to test it to see the difference in streaming quality. Truth is, I struggled to hear any difference between the Spotify feed and the Amazon HD feed. In addition, I have a good look at both apps and concluded that the Spotify app on iOS, is far superior to the Amazon app and as a premium subscriber, I also get access to a loads of fee audio books on Spotify which I value...

So, my conclusion is that I really want one app for my music, podcasts and audiobooks and as Spotify ticks more boxes than other services, I'll probably stick with it and accept the downside of lower quality streaming through the WiiM Amp. However, i would love it if they introduced a higher quality service - which I'd pay more to subscribe to...
 
UKNick said:
I have been wrestling with this over last couple of days since getting the WiiM Amp and pairing with some second-hand Q Acoustics 2050i'speakers...

I am a long time Spotify subscriber and have a family plan, so I have to keep it for the family whether I choose to use it or not... Yesterday I took out the one-month free trial for Amazon HD and was keen to test it to see the difference in streaming quality. Truth is, I struggled to hear any difference between the Spotify feed and the Amazon HD feed. In addition, I have a good look at both apps and concluded that the Spotify app on iOS, is far superior to the Amazon app and as a premium subscriber, I also get access to a loads of fee audio books on Spotify which I value...

So, my conclusion is that I really want one app for my music, podcasts and audiobooks and as Spotify ticks more boxes than other services, I'll probably stick with it and accept the downside of lower quality streaming through the WiiM Amp. However, i would love it if they introduced a higher quality service - which I'd pay more to subscribe to...
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Totally agree with you. Spotify does a very good job. The app, the AI features..often much more better then others. If they add more audiobooks and quality i think they can introduce supremium for lets say 13,99. Maybe also al yearly subscription with a discount would be great.
Im willing to pay and the gap between free listening( with ads,lower quality) becomes bigger also with the audiobooks.

Again i agree with you..compare it to WIIM itself. A great device..good hardware but even important the software and the support they are giving. Its the combination thats very important the same with spotify..the app and then the music library..with wiim the hardware,software,support.
 
UKNick said:
I have been wrestling with this over last couple of days since getting the WiiM Amp and pairing with some second-hand Q Acoustics 2050i'speakers...

I am a long time Spotify subscriber and have a family plan, so I have to keep it for the family whether I choose to use it or not... Yesterday I took out the one-month free trial for Amazon HD and was keen to test it to see the difference in streaming quality. Truth is, I struggled to hear any difference between the Spotify feed and the Amazon HD feed. In addition, I have a good look at both apps and concluded that the Spotify app on iOS, is far superior to the Amazon app and as a premium subscriber, I also get access to a loads of fee audio books on Spotify which I value...

So, my conclusion is that I really want one app for my music, podcasts and audiobooks and as Spotify ticks more boxes than other services, I'll probably stick with it and accept the downside of lower quality streaming through the WiiM Amp. However, i would love it if they introduced a higher quality service - which I'd pay more to subscribe to...
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An entirely valid decision. It can't really be denied that Spotify has a good app and if you can't hear the difference between it and hi res on other services which many of us can't irrespective of how "revealing" our kit may or may not be (if only our ears were as good as our kit ;) ), then just enjoy the music which after all is surely the point of this crazy hobby :)
 
With the 320 Kbps files it also important to look at how good a source is.
If the source is good then offer CD quality i think. I think there is enough music where it would be a improvement to choose for cd quality.
Spotify can make the gap also bigger with youtube. Why not use their influence to make a profit for them and going for subpremium.
Even if there is you tube i think it could be possible..but again what happens on this we cant say anything about this. Just waiting thats all we can do. But i think its important that if they make a choice on this it has to be good in the first place..i think spotify nows this very well.

Again look at Wiim..the app is very good/ its mature..when spotify offers more it has to be good ..they now this. Wiim stands out from the rest..Spotify also( i think) but offering subpremium this is even more important.
 
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I think spotify also has caused the illegal downloads did become much lesser. I dont say it wont happen anymore but because of the convenience,AI features..and so on you are willing to pay.
For me if they offer more..quality,audiobooks im willing to pay more.
 
wiimamp user said:
With the 320 Kbps files it also important to look at how good a source is.
If the source is good then offer CD quality i think. I think there is enough music where it would be a improvement to choose for cd quality.
Spotify can make the gap also bigger with youtube. Why not use their influence to make a profit for them and going for subpremium.
Even if there is you tube i think it could be possible..but again what happens on this we cant say anything about this. Just waiting thats all we can do. But i think its important that if they make a choice on this it has to be good in the first place..i think spotify nows this very well.

Again look at Wiim..the app is very good/ its mature..when spotify offers more it has to be good ..they now this. Wiim stands out from the rest..Spotify also( i think) but offering subpremium this is even more important.
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I can tell a difference between spotify and tital, but only on high end speakers, Most people listen on their tv, or their phone, or as background music while doing something else (eg gaming or working), and as such I doubt that most people even use the 320kb option.

Spotify sounds "good enough" for those sorts of purposes (background music, chilling to a playlist, etc) and there's nothing to stop you buying the cd / vinyl of an album you discover on spotify for a serious music session.
 
cooky560 said:
I can tell a difference between spotify and tital, but only on high end speakers, Most people listen on their tv, or their phone, or as background music while doing something else (eg gaming or working), and as such I doubt that most people even use the 320kb option.

Spotify sounds "good enough" for those sorts of purposes (background music, chilling to a playlist, etc) and there's nothing to stop you buying the cd / vinyl of an album you discover on spotify for a serious music session.
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I do actually listen mostly to my music through a HiFi setup but as Branthome says maybe my 65 year old ears aren't as sensitive as they once were... And as you say, I have purchased a nice little CD player that I can use for favourites and more concentrated listerning..
 
Be interesting to see, if it happens, what they charge per month. Especially as others are cutting their subscription costs.
 
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