Ultra to Vibelink connection

[cmcc]

What's the optimal connection between the Ultra and Vibelink considering I'll use the Ultra for volume control? Analog/RCA or digital out to Vibelink? I thought I have read that analog into the Vibelink provides 100w/ch vs 60w/ch for digital inputs. I understand the Vibelink DAC is newer, but is it that much improved (and circuitry around the DAC) in the Vibelink to go for a digital input?
Thanks for any suggestions/opinions.

 

[slartibartfast]

You're absolutely right, there's no mention of a limited power output (60 W instead of 100 W into 8 ohm, 120 W instead of 200 W into 4 ohm) when using the RCA inputs anywhere in the device specs on the website or in the online user manual.

TL; DR:
That's pretty much the whole story from my point of view.

The lower power output has been mentioned by WiiM in this forum and yes, it could also be found in the Vibelink Amp printed manual (at least for the first batch of amplifiers):
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The explanation given in the above mentioned edition of WiiM Talks has been - let me put that clearly - rather adding to the confusion.

Now, the real trouble with power measurements is how hard it is to compare them. It's just not like any amp naturally "having" a certain power output and reviewers just have to "confirm" it. Luckily some standards are pretty much established by now, but there is still a lot of discussion going on about how and what should be measured. We must make sure to compare them like for like.


I'm not entirely sure if Erin explicitly mentioned that he's been using the RCA inputs (and unfortunately he still didn't publish the measurements of the Vibelink Amp on his website), but I think that you are 100% right again. Erin does mention that he managed to trigger the protection circuit ("sometimes I would feed it too much voltage for too long and it would basically just shut itself down"), which only makes sense when referring to the analogue input.

Also the pictures of his measuring setup clearly shows the RCA inputs to be used (and why wouldn't he do that directly with his AP analyzer?):

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Now we have two different reviewers measuring, one using RCA (Erin) and one using TOSLINK. And if we don't just read the numbers but look at the actual graphs the results are identical, indeed. 200 W at 1% THD+N into 4 ohm.

Erin:
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Amir:
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For me this case is really closed. It's not just been hearsay, the confusing information did come from WiiM. But I don't know and don't understand what made them being overly conservative when specifying the power output initially.

The WiiM Vibelink Amp just works and sounds beautifully and its operation temperature is objectively low under all conditions.

Those test results just make it even more weird that WiiM say the power is lower when using RCA input.

 

[harkpabst]

Those test results just make it even more weird that WiiM say the power is lower when using RCA input.

I wouldn't call it weird. I'd call it wrong.

But then again, that claim is not in the specs published on the website.

 

[gasolin75]

You're absolutely right, there's no mention of a limited power output (60 W instead of 100 W into 8 ohm, 120 W instead of 200 W into 4 ohm) when using the RCA inputs anywhere in the device specs on the website or in the online user manual.

TL; DR:
That's pretty much the whole story from my point of view.

The lower power output has been mentioned by WiiM in this forum and yes, it could also be found in the Vibelink Amp printed manual (at least for the first batch of amplifiers):
View attachment 24326
The explanation given in the above mentioned edition of WiiM Talks has been - let me put that clearly - rather adding to the confusion.

Now, the real trouble with power measurements is how hard it is to compare them. It's just not like any amp naturally "having" a certain power output and reviewers just have to "confirm" it. Luckily some standards are pretty much established by now, but there is still a lot of discussion going on about how and what should be measured. We must make sure to compare them like for like.


I'm not entirely sure if Erin explicitly mentioned that he's been using the RCA inputs (and unfortunately he still didn't publish the measurements of the Vibelink Amp on his website), but I think that you are 100% right again. Erin does mention that he managed to trigger the protection circuit ("sometimes I would feed it too much voltage for too long and it would basically just shut itself down"), which only makes sense when referring to the analogue input.

Also the pictures of his measuring setup clearly shows the RCA inputs to be used (and why wouldn't he do that directly with his AP analyzer?):

View attachment 24329

Now we have two different reviewers measuring, one using RCA (Erin) and one using TOSLINK. And if we don't just read the numbers but look at the actual graphs the results are identical, indeed. 200 W at 1% THD+N into 4 ohm.

Erin:
View attachment 24330

Amir:
View attachment 24331



For me this case is really closed. It's not just been hearsay, the confusing information did come from WiiM. But I don't know and don't understand what made them being overly conservative when specifying the power output initially.

The WiiM Vibelink Amp just works and sounds beautifully and its operation temperature is objectively low under all conditions.

Im really happy with the power the amp has limited in volume to 80% so it sending from my wiim ultra streamer max 80% volume limit the output is 100% for my vibelink to avoid to much load on my wharfedale diamond 12.1i

Bass is so powerfull when i reach 1 o'clock on the amp that it's gonna distroy the bass if i keep it my streamer at 100/100% and wanna play loud and turn it up to much (12.2i must be a little better when wanna play loud)

When roomfit say bass is normal loud (dayton usb mic) it just gets loud at 1 o'clock or just a little higher, except for bass extention, 3 db around 50-60hz i do not need a subwoofer