Ultra to Vibelink connection

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What's the optimal connection between the Ultra and Vibelink considering I'll use the Ultra for volume control? Analog/RCA or digital out to Vibelink? I thought I have read that analog into the Vibelink provides 100w/ch vs 60w/ch for digital inputs. I understand the Vibelink DAC is newer, but is it that much improved (and circuitry around the DAC) in the Vibelink to go for a digital input?
Thanks for any suggestions/opinions.
 

Ryan: We’ve also had questions about why the rated power output for the Optical and Coaxial inputs is higher than those for the Analog RCA inputs. Can you explain what’s happening here?

The Vibelink Amp is designed with both exceptional audio quality and reliability in mind. For optical and coaxial inputs, the DAC processes digital signals directly, ensuring high precision and low distortion. This optimized processing allows the amplifier to achieve maximum output power while maintaining clean and accurate sound.

When using RCA inputs, the amplifier handles pre-processed analog signals that bypass the DAC. This ensures consistent audio clarity and avoids distortion, though it may result in slightly lower maximum output power compared to digital inputs. The amplifier also manages thermal performance carefully, ensuring safe and efficient operation regardless of connection type. Processing and receiving the analog input has a tendency to increase the temperature at high levels. We're committed to delivering rich sound and reliable performance for all devices, at an affordable price.”

Hmm, what causes increased temperature rise with an analog input? What does processing and receiving the analog input involve that causes this? 🤔
 
If you don't care about the display, the phono input, the USB input, the HDMI ARC input, the fully configurable subwoofer output with filtered main speakers and the built-in power supply you could just as well go with the WiiM Pro Plus.

You could save another ~70 bucks and go with the WiiM Pro, as you won't use its inferior DAC anyway, but the one in the WiiM Vibelink Amp.

If you want the physical WiiM remote you'll have to buy it separately for the Pro. It's less than 25 quid, so still cheaper than the Pro Plus, which comes with the remote included.

The WiiM Pro and Pro Plus also support AirPlay 2 in case this is of any importance.
Using the optical connection to the Wiim Vibelink amp, would the Wiim Mini provide the same exact functionality as the Wiim Pro for even less money?
 
Using the optical connection to the Wiim Vibelink amp, would the Wiim Mini provide the same exact functionality as the Wiim Pro for even less money?
I honestly wouldn’t consider anything less than a Pro these days due to its extra connectivity and features compared to a mini. It has four times the ram and twice the number of cpu cores as the Mini so is more future proofed in my opinion. If you’re looking to save money, I’d wait for a sale. You might also want to compare the features and price of a WiiM Amp or Amp Pro v. the vibelink plus pro
 
would the Wiim Mini provide the same exact functionality as the Wiim Pro
No, imo the lack of a trigger out on the mini is the real issue here as you either need to have bluetooth enabled and use the wiim app or reach round the back to turn the vibelink on.
As Burnside alludes to above, also depends what you want to play etc. as the mini is more limited in those respects.
 
Regarding connectivity, is the DAC better in the ultra or in the vibe link? I saw a tear down of the ultra and it looked impressive with the best TI op amps.
Welcome.

For me, I greatly prefer digital into the vibelink over analog from any of my dacs / an ultra. For whatever reason, analog input sounds quite lifeless in comparison.
Others here say they can hardly tell any difference between them.

So yes, try both, see what you prefer.
 
Regarding connectivity, is the DAC better in the ultra or in the vibe link? I saw a tear down of the ultra and it looked impressive with the best TI op amps.
And to add one more voice: We haven't seen any tear down pictures or videos of the WiiM Vibelink Amp so far but I don't doubt it's equally impressive.

The ESS ES9039Q2M DAC chip in the Vibelink Amp is slightly newer than the ES9038Q2M in the Ultra and according to the data sheet ESS did concentrate on quite different things when it comes to what can be (or must be) configured when using it.

Yes, DAC performance is not exclusively about the DAC chip, but it still plays the vital role and WiiM obviously took the same care and used the same high grad components when designing the output stage. You can safely assume that WiiM didn't go cheap here! The new DAC has not simply been chosen to keep costs down.

My favourite tech blogger Archimago did a couple of tests regarding DACs and one of these is the comparison of the distortion pattern (1 kHz) of both, the ES9038Q2M and the ES9039Q2M. The former showed some strange sinusoidally looking pattern over frequency, the latter didn't.


While he doesn't believe the effect to be audible, it certainly does show an advance in design and engineering.
 
And to add one more voice: We haven't seen any tear down pictures or videos of the WiiM Vibelink Amp so far but I don't doubt it's equally impressive.

The ESS ES9039Q2M DAC chip in the Vibelink Amp is slightly newer than the ES9038Q2M in the Ultra and according to the data sheet ESS did concentrate on quite different things when it comes to what can be (or must be) configured when using it.

Yes, DAC performance is not exclusively about the DAC chip, but it still plays the vital role and WiiM obviously took the same care and used the same high grad components when designing the output stage. You can safely assume that WiiM didn't go cheap here! The new DAC has not simply been chosen to keep costs down.

My favourite tech blogger Archimago did a couple of tests regarding DACs and one of these is the comparison of the distortion pattern (1 kHz) of both, the ES9038Q2M and the ES9039Q2M. The former showed some strange sinusoidally looking pattern over frequency, the latter didn't.


While he doesn't believe the effect to be audible, it certainly does show an advance in design and engineering.
It's more the cooling issue on the "ultra" amp compared to the vibelink that seems to enlighten me (and the chip number) ..
(ps the behavior of the 38,here, does seem quite strange)
 
Is there a known issue?
poorly translated...
just as not pointed out of the "amp ultra".. knowing if the efforts made in the vibelink have been made there too, with the 100w, rather compact volume etc , seems to me really a sensitive subject here
;-)
 

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It isn't even released yet is it? 🤣
I for one couldn't get my hands on one, yet. :D

poorly translated...
just as not pointed out of the "amp ultra".. knowing if the efforts made in the vibelink have been made there too, with the 100w, rather compact volume etc , seems to me really a sensitive subject here
;-)
Ok, so it's just that you are wondering if the cooling is adequate? The WiiM Vibelink Amp runs very cool. I cannot think of a reason why WiiM would be omitting the heat pipe solution in the WiiM Amp Ultra.

Yes, there is an additional streaming board and the touch display. But I assume there's enough "thermal headroom".
 
I for one couldn't get my hands on one, yet. :D


Ok, so it's just that you are wondering if the cooling is adequate? The WiiM Vibelink Amp runs very cool. I cannot think of a reason why WiiM would be omitting the heat pipe solution in the WiiM Amp Ultra.

Yes, there is an additional streaming board and the touch display. But I assume there's enough "thermal headroom".
Yes, space is more limited, etc., but if the revised amplification changes the situation... The fact is that it was highlighted with the VibeLink... and not with the amp Ultra... given the compact aspect, the power, etc.,

it would be one of the essential things for me to not end up like the Fosi, etc., and with DIY fans for coolers.
;-)
 
Yes, space is more limited, etc., but if the revised amplification changes the situation... The fact is that it was highlighted with the VibeLink... and not with the amp Ultra... given the compact aspect, the power, etc.,

it would be one of the essential things for me to not end up like the Fosi, etc., and with DIY fans for coolers.
;-)
Do users actually listen at maximum power in real life outside testing labs using non speaker loads?
 
I for one couldn't get my hands on one, yet. :D


Ok, so it's just that you are wondering if the cooling is adequate? The WiiM Vibelink Amp runs very cool. I cannot think of a reason why WiiM would be omitting the heat pipe solution in the WiiM Amp Ultra.

Yes, there is an additional streaming board and the touch display. But I assume there's enough "thermal headroom".
The casing of my Vibelink has so far reached temperatures of 36-37 degrees C after several hours of listening, so it’s not too bad. 🤔
 
Hmm, what causes increased temperature rise with an analog input? What does processing and receiving the analog input involve that causes this? 🤔
I'm wondering the same thing. On the product page, it says "Unlike many amplifiers that digitize analog signals, introducing unwanted processing and degradation, the WiiM Vibelink Amp offers a pure analog input that bypasses any Analog-to-Digital Conversion (ADC)".

So, what 'processing' is happening that's unique to the analogue signal?
 
The casing of my Vibelink has so far reached temperatures of 36-37 degrees C after several hours of listening, so
I have just tested my vibelink amp and my results are the same. Sometimes it does feel a bit warmer. I have attached a picture for you to see my totally unscientific and probably inaccurate method for testing, 🤔🤣

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That's a fairly similar set up to how I have been monitoring the temperature, and your thermometer looks almost identical to mine, although mine are branded Silver Crest, which was a brand sold by Lidl in the UK.

I also have one on top of my Ultra, and at the moment my Ultra is reading 26.3 degrees C, and the Vibelink is reading 33.0 degrees C.

I currently have some 8mm thick rubber spacers underneath the feet of my Ultra to raise it a bit to allow more space for cooling, and to allow my temperature sensor to fit under the Ultra.

I also have an Infrared Thermometer that I occasionally use to measure the case temperature, and that is currently reading 28.6 degrees C for the Ultra, and 35 degrees C for the Vibelink.
 
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