Warning: avoid purchasing Sonos

Jls said:
The reason I have Sonos is I have a wife, four frequent visitors, and four grandchildren who will soon want to choose their own music. I want one app to rule them all.
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The purchase of a WiiM Ultra would rule out the Sonos app as the one to "rule them all", so if you're actually seeking help then you need to consider other options.
 
Achim1811 said:
Prepared again for headwind 😉
There is one software which rules them all! No hassle with Sonos, it works without any problem. (Own experience, no every forum typical hear say). Yes, it costs a few Euros. Guess what I'm thinking of..
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And it is exactly the same with LMS with the only caveats being that LMS does not support Apple or Amazon Music and that there are currently reports of difficulties with some (but not all) Play:1's.
With one "app" (Material skin) you can control everything in a seamless way.
 
Achim1811 said:
Prepared again for headwind 😉
There is one software which rules them all! No hassle with Sonos, it works without any problem. (Own experience, no every forum typical hear say). Yes, it costs a few Euros. Guess what I'm thinking of..
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No idea, because your meaning is so cryptic, I don't know what you're saying 🤔
 
Roon isn't really a viable solution for the average, typical Sonos user. Sonos' success in the consumer audio market has been its plug and play approach and independence from running and maintaining additional server or support hardware & software.

Most of those jumping the Sonos ship are switching to similar systems like HEOS, Bluesound. The newer KEF LSX range is a contender, but pricey at 1000 smackeroos per speaker pair.
 
The whole 'Sonos Question' is a very touchy one at the moment. Believe me, I know having been caught in the furious crossfire over at the Sonos Community, and been banned twice by Calvinistic moderators with zero sense of irony.

(Your Nucleus One arrived yet?)
 
I’ll just say that I’m rather old, and I’m putting together a system for people having no interest or aptitude for anything technical.

I will not be around to troubleshoot.

I’m old enough to remember when a Fisher console was considered good.

The digital era has made the storage and retrieval of music independent of cost, and no one seems to care anymore about finding the best amp or speaker. My family does notice that my vintage stuff sounds better than anything else they hear, but they don’t deeply care.

There are weird exceptions. I gave my daughter a vintage Thorens turntable, and she unexpectedly took it seriously. She has taught her children to respect it and use it carefully. But when the stylus needs replacing she’ll be lost. Maybe.

What most care about is being able to find and play the music they want. And if something breaks, they’ll want to buy a plug and play replacement. They do not want to fiddle with multiple apps or customized hardware.
 
Jls said:
I’ll just say that I’m rather old, and I’m putting together a system for people having no interest or aptitude for anything technical.

I will not be around to troubleshoot.

I’m old enough to remember when a Fisher console was considered good.

The digital era has made the storage and retrieval of music independent of cost, and no one seems to care anymore about finding the best amp or speaker. My family does notice that my vintage stuff sounds better than anything else they hear, but they don’t deeply care.

There are weird exceptions. I gave my daughter a vintage Thorens turntable, and she unexpectedly took it seriously. She has taught her children to respect it and use it carefully. But when the stylus needs replacing she’ll be lost. Maybe.

What most care about is being able to find and play the music they want. And if something breaks, they’ll want to buy a plug and play replacement. They do not want to fiddle with multiple apps or customized hardware.
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You hit the nail squarely on the head.
The problem is that no-one has developed a truly acceptable and universal plug and play system. The cynics amongst us may think it is not to the maunfacturers' fiscal advantage to do so.
 
d6jg said:
You hit the nail squarely on the head.
The problem is that no-one has developed a truly acceptable and universal plug and play system. The cynics amongst us may think it is not to the maunfacturers' fiscal advantage to do so.
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The might think that , but patents expire, and rifts between Columbia and RCA get paved over by mutually lucrative sharing agreements. Look at how many different codecs are supported. How many WiFi connection protocols are supported simultaneously.

Did anybody notice that WIIM and SONOS are the same upside down?

Sonos patents will eventually expire, and if they aren’t stupid, they will license whatever is necessary to allow competitors to join the ecosystem. Then we can have boxes in every price range that work together.

We’ve had this with every other audio component for 70 years.
 
Jls said:
I’ll just say that I’m rather old, and I’m putting together a system for people having no interest or aptitude for anything technical.

I will not be around to troubleshoot.

I’m old enough to remember when a Fisher console was considered good.

The digital era has made the storage and retrieval of music independent of cost, and no one seems to care anymore about finding the best amp or speaker. My family does notice that my vintage stuff sounds better than anything else they hear, but they don’t deeply care.

There are weird exceptions. I gave my daughter a vintage Thorens turntable, and she unexpectedly took it seriously. She has taught her children to respect it and use it carefully. But when the stylus needs replacing she’ll be lost. Maybe.

What most care about is being able to find and play the music they want. And if something breaks, they’ll want to buy a plug and play replacement. They do not want to fiddle with multiple apps or customized hardware.
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Yup back in the 70s and 80s everyone had a Hifi. Now they have a smart speaker. Result is the few remaining manufacturers charge a fortune. Until companies like WiiM came along anyway.
 
Jls said:
The might think that , but patents expire, and rifts between Columbia and RCA get paved over by mutually lucrative sharing agreements. Look at how many different codecs are supported. How many WiFi connection protocols are supported simultaneously.

Did anybody notice that WIIM and SONOS are the same upside down?

Sonos patents will eventually expire, and if they aren’t stupid, they will license whatever is necessary to allow competitors to join the ecosystem. Then we can have boxes in every price range that work together.

We’ve had this with every other audio component for 70 years.
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Roon (expensive) and Lyrion (free) use heterogeneous endpoints (there's a phrase you never thought you'd ever hear on an audio forum) successfully.
Sonos has made 2 major errors over the years - failing to offer Chromecast and Bluetooth connectivity.
 
castalla said:
Roon (expensive) and Lyrion (free) use heterogeneous endpoints (there's a phrase you never thought you'd ever hear on an audio forum) successfully.
Sonos has made 2 major errors over the years - failing to offer Chromecast and Bluetooth connectivity.
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Only two? My prediction, which is near worthless, is that Sonos will license its connection technology, and eventually you will be able to buy gear with anything you want. It’s mostly software.
 
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