Warning: avoid purchasing Sonos

Sonos will license its connection technology,

There is already a licensable Sonos API and partner program which some OEMs use

 
There is already a licensable Sonos API and partner program which some OEMs use

Yes, and some implementations of services are horrendous - Spotify and BBC Sounds are awful - just one endless scrolling page.
 
Roon (expensive) and Lyrion (free) use heterogeneous endpoints (there's a phrase you never thought you'd ever hear on an audio forum) successfully.
Sonos has made 2 major errors over the years - failing to offer Chromecast and Bluetooth connectivity.
Sonos does not officially support DLNA, but I find that I can connect to their speakers with DLNA pretty well.

Adding Chromecast speakers to a Sonos system will break the synchronous playback.
 
Sonos does not officially support DLNA, but I find that I can connect to their speakers with DLNA pretty well.
Pretty well! I've had Play 1s for over a decade and they've been faultless in a UPnP setup. They pass my 5 second gapless track test :)
A few weeks ago was that first time that I'd spent any amount of time in the Sonos app, and that was just to see the unmitigated disaster of the new app.
 
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Sonos does not officially support DLNA, but I find that I can connect to their speakers with DLNA pretty well.

Adding Chromecast speakers to a Sonos system will break the synchronous playback.
Which is the only thing they do better than almost everybody. I’ve looked and looked, and even techies find it difficult to achieve multi room with an interface non techies can use.
 
I can’t get Plex to work at all. It made a hash of my music. All my music was organized and tagged in iTunes, and Plex ignores my organization. I don’t know what it thinks it’s doing, but it’s unusable.

It’s not complicated. Album and track. Plex managed to ignore my album art, ignore album organization. Ad provide no access to folders.
I run the exact same setup: I use Apple Music on my Mac to store/organise all my local music. The library itself is stored on my NAS. The same NAS is also running Plex server, which indexes the Apple Music library and some other folders. All music from my Apple Music library shows up nicely in Plex & Plexamp. Even albums which are still incorrectly tagged in Apple Music, are indexed & matched correctly by Plex in most cases.
 
I run the exact same setup: I use Apple Music on my Mac to store/organise all my local music. The library itself is stored on my NAS. The same NAS is also running Plex server, which indexes the Apple Music library and some other folders. All music from my Apple Music library shows up nicely in Plex & Plexamp. Even albums which are still incorrectly tagged in Apple Music, are indexed & matched correctly by Plex in most cases.
I got the Plex server to index my files, but I had to turn off all the indexing defaults. I’m sure that Plex exists because 95 percent of people do not have classical music. Album/artist are not important. It’s composer/work. And, it mostly ignored my album art, even though I told it to use mine.

An LP or CD can have multiple composers and works. Or. A single work can span multiple Disks.

Organizing by CD/track number is okay, but the only way to make that work is to organize into folders. This is partly because there is no standardization for CD/album names. Some have non-English names, and some databases translate the names.

Many CD do not have short names. The name on the jacket is a list of works and conductors.

I hope this sheds some light on the problem.
 
I just got a notice that the warranty on my Sonos products has been extended by 12 months. The products have been very reliable, so I doubt this will cost them much. But it shows that they may become much more aggressive at retaining customers. This is probably part of the decision to replace the CEO.
 
Too late by months for me, I've already replaced all my Sonos gear. And it will probably be months more before the app gets back to its previous responsiveness, and then only if they give up on routing volume changes through the cloud. It's a shame, because the hardware is still quite nice.

And while it may be psychological, I think the music sounds better streaming on the same speakers through a WiiM Pro Plus versus an old Sonos Connect. Maybe the DAC makes a difference there.
 
Too late by months for me, I've already replaced all my Sonos gear. And it will probably be months more before the app gets back to its previous responsiveness, and then only if they give up on routing volume changes through the cloud. It's a shame, because the hardware is still quite nice.

And while it may be psychological, I think the music sounds better streaming on the same speakers through a WiiM Pro Plus versus an old Sonos Connect. Maybe the DAC makes a difference there.
I currently use a WiiM ultra plugged into my pair of Sonos 5s and sub and agree it sounds better to me than using the Sonos app
Luckily I didn’t upgrade my app or firmware but I am going to replace them all at some point
Long before they ruined the app last may they had several poor updates which caused me to turn off auto updates luckily for me😊
 
The new app is still clunky but works reasonably well now. No need to dump decent hardware.
I would agree. If Wiim would get DLNA casting working I could use my Sonos system pretty much just as a set of speakers and use Wiim Home for my app. I have little interest in replacing my Sonos speakers. And, I have a Sonos sound bar for my TV and to provide music for a large open living area. The sound bar also controls 2 rear Sonos speakers. I don't see any easy way to replace that functionality with Wiim.
 
The new app is still clunky but works reasonably well now. No need to dump decent hardware.
I am not dumping nor will I update the app 16.1 works well enough for me
Attrition will do as something stops working I will not replace it with Sonos products they have lost my trust
I am going to replace my main music system with separates and utilise my fives with WiiM minis
My arc and surround speakers are working well so no dumping there …. For now😜
 
Too late by months for me, I've already replaced all my Sonos gear. And it will probably be months more before the app gets back to its previous responsiveness, and then only if they give up on routing volume changes through the cloud. It's a shame, because the hardware is still quite nice.

And while it may be psychological, I think the music sounds better streaming on the same speakers through a WiiM Pro Plus versus an old Sonos Connect. Maybe the DAC makes a difference there.
Same here on replacing all Sonos gear, although where I had Beams, a PlayBase, and a Play:5, my WiiM setups sound better because I bought real speakers. My back porch and garage have crappy speakers and listening environment to tell the difference, although I enjoy knowing that my WiiM Amps are a lot less expensive than the Sonos Amps that they replaced.
 
Same here on replacing all Sonos gear, although where I had Beams, a PlayBase, and a Play:5, my WiiM setups sound better because I bought real speakers. My back porch and garage have crappy speakers and listening environment to tell the difference, although I enjoy knowing that my WiiM Amps are a lot less expensive than the Sonos Amps that they replaced.
How did you replace your Beams and Playbase? Did you use rear speakers with them? I want a at least pseudo surround sound system.
 
How did you replace your Beams and Playbase? Did you use rear speakers with them? I want a at least pseudo surround sound system.
My beams were replaced with passive soundbars and WiiM Amps--used Pinnacle Quantum QP9 in the Living Room because I had room for a subwoofer and a Dayton Audio BS41 in the Keeping Room because I don't have room for a subwoofer there without going in-ceiling (not good wall space without pipe, electrical, or exterior insulation interference). My Playbase in the master bedroom now has a WiiM Amp and an Atlantic Technology 3.1 HSB sound base, and I use the built-in subwoofer. I currently don't have surround sound in any room at my wife's request because she hates it, although I wouldn't mind WiiM adding a surround option so that I can upgrade from 2.0 or 2.1 to 3.0 or 3.1 to use the center channels in the soundbars and soundbase.
 
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