What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?

[canard]

I think that's completely wrong. For sure, their are a few things missing from the Ultra which could be added, like stereo sub out, balanced out, coax in, better ADC.

But adding those three (as an example) would up the price of the Ultra by £100 maximum. Please let's not go down this road where we pretend that adding these extras would mean a WiiM Ultra Plus would cost 4 figures plus. As you've already noted, minidsp have an ADC coming for $50. Adding that to the next model (presuming it performs well) wouldn't add $50 to the price, as you simultaneously have to deduct the cost of the current ADC.

And let's also not go down the road of excusing streamers which already cost four figures plus, but which are missing important and useful features which the current Ultra already has.

The Ultra is extraordinarily well-specced and astonishing value for money. It's better specced and performs at least as well as some kit costing three times as much.

I'm afraid it's others who are living in fantasy.

we don't understand each other...
I know very well that the modifications that I point out here would only cost a few euros when they come off the Chinese production line... or that they could have been, or should have been, present from the ultra (see for the care on the ADC, digital output, and balanced output from at least the pro plus...)
( and I think I'm not really appreciated when I talk about these things... hihi... )

just that everyone generally comes up with their own idea, small need etc.. and reading the forum we would end up with a list "as long as an arm"..... we present the idea of an eversolo etc. at 4 times less expensive...."pleaseeee you are so handsome and good mister wiim,.... pleaseeeeee "" ....

that the basic audio-streaming functions are successful, or even qualitative would already be a nice goal...
;-)

more modest..""" just mk2""
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[hgo58]

*Differential does have merit though, say if you run long cables to active speakers, say a pair of Sigberg Audio Manta with subwoofers.

If you are in a studio with a lot of electrical noise and have very long cables (>10m), then yes.

XLR was invented for use by microphones in studios and can e.g. support 48v power to them.

 

[Valentino]

But of course.

FTR I don’t need differential (my longest single ended cable run is 5 m), but I can envision domestic setups where it could be beneficial.

 

[hgo58]

I can envision domestic setups where it could be beneficial.

In that case I would connect an external DAC to the Ultra via optical and place it close to the Amp or active speakers. A good optical cable can at least handle 15 m and some up to 30 m.

 

[Valentino]

Those Sigbergs i mentioned use Hypex FAs. They have an uncommon internal sample rate and their SRC does not get top marks.

 

[canard]

In that case I would connect an external DAC to the Ultra via optical and place it close to the Amp or active speakers. A good optical cable can at least handle 15 m and some up to 30 m.

(all this to avoid considering the possible usefulness of balanced output on a future wiim, inexpensive cables sym etc.... funny...
you can also offer an external DAC with balanced output... etc
euhhhhhh ;-)))
)
(ps a very classic assembly concerning the owners of mono amps is to limit the high impedance connection by placing very close to the speakers and wiring in balanced to the preamp... and the use of balanced in pro is of course not only in use on microphones "48v"... ;-) )


it possibly makes sense...and is important for wiim..it sells!...
why not invite wiim to do it? I don't understand....

 

[cc_rider]

 

[Valentino]

There’s Just not enough Art Deco in modern Hifi.

 

[hgo58]

(all this to avoid considering the possible usefulness of balanced output on a future wiim, inexpensive cables sym etc.... funny...
you can also offer an external DAC with balanced output... etc
euhhhhhh ;-)))
)
(ps a very classic assembly concerning the owners of mono amps is to limit the high impedance connection by placing very close to the speakers and wiring in balanced to the preamp... and the use of balanced in pro is of course not only in use on microphones "48v"... ;-) )


it possibly makes sense...and is important for wiim..it sells!...
why not invite wiim to do it? I don't understand....

You are hard to understand but regarding why I think it will be a bad idea to have XLR on a new WiiM device is that it's costly with very little benefit for most users. I for sure don't want to pay for it.

An upgraded device for me will be one that has more cpu power and memory to handle all the services and DSP functionality that is an important part of modern streaming.

Of cause latest hardware at the right cost/performance level. But special needs like long analog cables etc can be handled in other ways.

The people that are asking for balance output is probably the same that would add an external DAC anyway, because the internal DAC can't be good at the price WiiM is selling for.

 

[canard]

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You are hard to understand but regarding why I think it will be a bad idea to have XLR on a new WiiM device is that it's costly with very little benefit for most users. I for sure don't want to pay for it.

An upgraded device for me will be one that has more cpu power and memory to handle all the services and DSP functionality that is an important part of modern streaming.

Of cause latest hardware at the right cost/performance level. But special needs like long analog cables etc can be handled in other ways.

The people that are asking for balance output is probably the same that would add an external DAC anyway, because the internal DAC can't be good at the price WiiM is selling for.

but no it is not expensive to achieve on the scale of these brands, products, ... see mountable in jack as we see more and more ...
and above all very very seller ... !
explain this if present on so many DACs even inexpensive Chinese etc ...

your position is really astonishing ...

 

[Kblade97]

Make best possible quality streamer without DAC for about 300 USD. No screen, no remote, no other fancy stuff. Just focus on sound quality. Use good line power input, high quality connectors, etc.
Respect people with external DAC - give them what they need.

 

[harkpabst]

What is line power input, btw? What makes it good or bad?

 

[canard]

all wiim products already have digital outputs...even the least expensive ones...and just the ultra does not allow the use of an external linear power supply etc...
so owners can use an external dac...
(will not prohibit wiim from taking more care of its future machines on the "audio" hardware side but invites you to observe threads like the one on resampling issues, rc mode ,subwoofer mode, peq etc ... the priorities of care efforts for wiim are clearly elsewhere it seems to me ...a more global investment effort on the "audio" side of the Wiim/linkplay...)

wiim/linkplay has found a very interesting position in the very general public product and rich in functions at low price....
as much to stick to it but improve the weaknesses and finalize all this...
hence my position of just "mk2"....
already something to do...
;-)

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

You are hard to understand but regarding why I think it will be a bad idea to have XLR on a new WiiM device is that it's costly with very little benefit for most users. I for sure don't want to pay for it.

Which is fine, and you don't have to. But here's the thing. None of us buy stuff like that. It's just not how it works.

As an example, the Ultra has a phono stage, which I'll never use, as I don't have a turntable. Not for one second did I create some sort of metric in my head which calculated the cost of including this feature, and then saying "It could have been £XX cheaper, therefore I'm not buying it".

WiiM, or anyone, will release a product, we'll ask ourselves what we want from it, and if the product offers that, and is in our price range, we'll buy it.

Any future WiiM Ultra Pro Plus will almost certainly add several upgrades. I'm not going to sit here today and argue that if there are any, even one, that I don't want, I won't buy it, as it's added unnecessary cost. I'll just ask myself if I need any of the upgrades, and if I'm prepared to pay for them.

By the way, I know this comes up every time with balanced outs. If you get a ground loop from a unit, and you swap to balanced outs, 95% of the time the ground loop disappears. I've seen several instances of people saying they're getting hum from the phono input, so I'm guessing there is a market for that.

Best wishes.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

(all this to avoid considering the possible usefulness of balanced output on a future wiim, inexpensive cables sym etc.... funny...
you can also offer an external DAC with balanced output... etc
euhhhhhh ;-)))
)
(ps a very classic assembly concerning the owners of mono amps is to limit the high impedance connection by placing very close to the speakers and wiring in balanced to the preamp... and the use of balanced in pro is of course not only in use on microphones "48v"... ;-) )


it possibly makes sense...and is important for wiim..it sells!...
why not invite wiim to do it? I don't understand....

I defer to your superior experience in the field of writing comments which no one can understand.

 

[canard]

I defer to your superior experience in the field of writing comments which no one can understand.

It's very kind of you....thank you very much ..

 

[Valentino]

It’s not always easy to decipher your comments, @canard.

 

[Steve Woodhouse]

It’s not always easy to decipher your comments, @canard.

Are you sure you're from Norway? Because that's one of the best examples of British understatement I've ever seen.

Canard's lack of clarity has nothing to do with his language skills, or native tongue; it's quite deliberate. Every post he makes not only has completely ridiculous grammar (which, as he's been told many times, would be easily fixed by just writing is sentences in his native tongue, then running them through Google Translate - something he refuses to do), but is also quite deliberately presented in a manner you don't see from anyone else here, or elsewhere on the internet.

Why the lack of line breaks? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why the constant insertion of ellipses where they have no meaning or use? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why the lack of capital letters? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why put entire sentences in parentheses? That's nothing to do with native language. You don't do that in any language.

Be under no illusion. The only reason he posts like that is take take the p*ss out of every forum member.

 

[canard]

Are you sure you're from Norway? Because that's one of the best examples of British understatement I've ever seen.

Canard's lack of clarity has nothing to do with his language skills, or native tongue; it's quite deliberate. Every post he makes not only has completely ridiculous grammar (which, as he's been told many times, would be easily fixed by just writing is sentences in his native tongue, then running them through Google Translate - something he refuses to do), but is also quite deliberately presented in a manner you don't see from anyone else here, or elsewhere on the internet.

Why the lack of line breaks? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why the constant insertion of ellipses where they have no meaning or use? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why the lack of capital letters? That's nothing to do with native language.

Why put entire sentences in parentheses? That's nothing to do with native language. You don't do that in any language.

Be under no illusion. The only reason he posts like that is take take the p*ss out of every forum member.

ridiculous...
but if not done for this idee for sure and rather unfortunate...learn more about the certain readers like here by this kind of "heavy" reaction...
(you do not forbid yourself not to read me or ignore my remarks...easy)

 

[harkpabst]

Be under no illusion. The only reason he posts like that is take take the p*ss out of every forum member.

I won't go into detail about your observations (some of which I accept as entirely valid), but you are jumping to false conclusions and expressing your frustration in this way is neither helpful nor appropriate here.