It’s like Groundhog Day at times, isn’t it?That would probably make it more expensive, because then it wouldn't appeal to the mass markets like the Vibelink does, so it would probably have to retail for around £500.
What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?
EddNog
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Give all the upset sonos ppl out there (like me) an equivalent integrated smart speaker solution to sonos play 1, play 3 and play 5.
Similar like you tried with Audio Pro Wiim Edition, but available worldwide and in colors black + white.
Then i could finally switch to Wiim completely and sell my whole sonos multiroom setup...
Similar like you tried with Audio Pro Wiim Edition, but available worldwide and in colors black + white.
Then i could finally switch to Wiim completely and sell my whole sonos multiroom setup...
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Fernandodelae
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Great new products launched, only thing missing is a decent, budget Cd player to complete the circle!
There are many audio sites discussing these days SQ differences of lossless audio streams. People have made serious comparisons of CD vs stream and find differences. Recently a few have looked deeper into the issue and actually measured bit stream differences, which are attributed to manipulations in the streamer devices. These can be protocol implementation errors, DSP side effects caused by other on-going DSP operations, and so on.
WiiM offers bit-perfect streaming, when feeding an external DAC but, as we know, proper device setup is needed - Full volume (100%), no EQ, no other DSP options. Many in other sites claim the Ultra is a subpar streamer, lifeless, lacking dynamics, lacking soundstage imaging. I have often interjected and called attention to setup requirements, which I think is the culprit for those negative comments.
I have been raising concerns about creeping 'featuritis', which are prone to implementation bugs and potentially forced errors. For those who care about the utmost fidelity and use an external DAC (some costing 10X the cost of any WiiM device) I ask @WiiM Team @RyanWithWiiM to pay attention.
WiiM offers bit-perfect streaming, when feeding an external DAC but, as we know, proper device setup is needed - Full volume (100%), no EQ, no other DSP options. Many in other sites claim the Ultra is a subpar streamer, lifeless, lacking dynamics, lacking soundstage imaging. I have often interjected and called attention to setup requirements, which I think is the culprit for those negative comments.
I have been raising concerns about creeping 'featuritis', which are prone to implementation bugs and potentially forced errors. For those who care about the utmost fidelity and use an external DAC (some costing 10X the cost of any WiiM device) I ask @WiiM Team @RyanWithWiiM to pay attention.
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Play 1 just announced. More or less...
I seriously don't believe that WiiM sell to this creepy crowd in meaningful numbers. I'm sure they sell to people inclined with Apple, Sonos and (to a limited degree) those into objective performance figures.
The one and only reason I decided to dig into the WiiM universe was the all-in-one approach of the WiiM Amp and freely configurable PEQ.
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Ugh - no AirPlay … what is it with this trend? Is there a cost to support it or something?
I guess only WiiM or Apple know and neither are saying…Ugh - no AirPlay … what is it with this trend? Is there a cost to support it or something?
There are other markets. WiiM streamers have been noticed by people outside its market segment. Some have installed Ultras in very high end systems. More would do so if a dedicated simple streamer with good SQ design was offered.
Incidentally… I think that Ultra is a very good streamer transport. I use it strictly like that - USB out to a high-end DAC with filtered USB input. Bit-perfect with Fixed Volume, no EQ, no Fade-In/Fade-Out, no preamp functions, no subwoofer, screen off. It is very transparent and when compared to other sources it holds its ground. But… to be seen as a audiophile streamer a strict streamer, sans add-ons, and clean design is needed. And what I notice is that many high-end buffs trying it have no clue about proper setup. This is an easy ‘flag’ product for WiiM to make.
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I fully understand your requirement and I see the target audience.
I just differ when it comes to judging how such a product would help WiiM in their market. As you said, the WiiM Ultra is "good enough" even for these audiophiles like yourself, who don't use any of the features I am using it for.
What's to be gained? Would true audiophiles accept a device with less functions but the same or higher price than the Ultra? Selling it for less wouldn't make any sense.
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The "audiophile" mantra in a nutshell
Pragmatist
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In my opinion, it is high time to include expressions such as "true audiophile" in the selection for the Idiom of the Year. Wait....true AND audiophile seems to be a paradox 
audiophiles would probably buy this, because it's more expensive than the Wiim
I'm sure it's a great product but at price it better be. I like the huge screen, but last time I spoke to the rep it didn't support softsqueeze so I'm not interested.
EddNog
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Eversolo also just teased their upcoming T8 pure streaming transport at Munich. That one has caught my eye, but need to know pricing to decide just how interested I really will be.
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castalla
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Androids can squeezeplay using a couple of apps (not as neat as Wiim version)
Not interested; no USB output Not interested in its internal DAC either.
A WiiM Streamer Transport would destroy that market.
The "audiophile" mantra in a nutshell
We should all in this fora consider ourselves audiophiles. An audiopphile is someone who seeks high quality music playback at home. Yes there are people who lust for equipment, continually discuss specs, only listen to test tracks, and so on. That characteristic is not the definition of an audiophile and it’s also present in other hobbies.
Having said that, there are audiophiles who aspire to more than reasonable quality playback and mostly care for sound quality and not features. I am one of those.
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