Wiim Amp Pro + Plex on a remote server = Impossible to work?

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I have built a simple hifi stereo with a Wiim Amp Pro.

Today I tried to connect my Wiim to my Plex server and it worked, so far, as I could not select my library. It is shown but greyed out with "Not available".

My first instinct was, that it had to do with that my Plex server is not in my network, but on a rented server far away. (Like the trouble shooting guide of Wiim also says: https://faq.wiimhome.com/en/support...onnect-to-plex-media-server-via-wiim-home-app)

But that doesn't not fit with my error message "Not available", because that would indicate the Plex media server is just unavailable. (I already restarted the server, doesn't work either.) So I am really confused here.

I already checked my "secured connection" setting, it is set to "preferred" (like suggested here: https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/plex-integration-unable-to-discover-your-library.4831/)

So my questions are:

1. Is it even possible, that my Plex set up (i.e. using a remote server) will work?
2. If not, how do I fix it?
a. Is it an issue with my Plex server?
b. Is it a Wiim issue?

Thanks in advance!
 
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timmo said:
I was hoping a WiiM unit can be used at my remote Plex users places (who don’t have Plex Pass) and stream from my Plex library like can be done with their Sonos speakers using the Sonos Plex integration. From what I’m reading here is that this is not possible for the WiiM Plex integration - apparently everything must be on the same network(?)
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That is in fact the issue currently. And the main reason why I'd like to see Plex(amp) endpoint support built-in to the WiiM devices. So we can just use the native Plex apps with all their functionality instead of having to rely on the WiiM Home app which is just trying to mimick the same experience (and doesn't do an amazing job at that)
 
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@pieterv1 - I ***might*** see what you’re saying now about the Plex(amp) endpoint (I see that Sonos and Google Cast are supported from Plexamp app which works with casting to my Pro/Pro-Plus since they have Chromecast built-in) - I’m sure I’m still missing something here though with what ya’ll are talking about … haha … I’m sorry if that’s the case. I don’t have a firm grasp on “headless Plexamp(?)” quite yet if that’s what’s actually being discussed (I just have my Plex server hosted on Synology which drives both Plex and Plexamp access to my library).

@simbun - Even though WiiM’s documentation states that it must be on the same network for the WiiM Home app integration of Plex, has anyone in this thread actually tried to connect a remote Plex server successfully within the WiiM Home app and see if it connects okay (similar to Sonos)? I don’t think a Plex Pass matters at all in this scenario (since it doesn’t matter with Sonos). If no one has tried a remote Plex server here I can create a separate thread about this. I just can’t test this scenario out at the moment. Thanks
 
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timmo said:
headless Plexamp
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Actually headless Plexamp is a full instance of the Plexamp app which can run in a (lightweight) Linux environment, on a low power Raspberry Pi for example.
- the full player can be accessed over a web interface
- since you're logged in to this instance, it'll always show up as an endpoint in the other Plex(amp) apps on your phone, pc... to hand off playback to the headless device. This will allow bit-perfect playback, eq, fades etc, depending on the settings you made on the headless version. There's none of the limitations from Airplay or Chromecast.

I think WiiM/Plex would have to come up with some sort of in-between solution, because running a full instance of Plexamp headless on a WiiM device would take up too much resources (and currently it requires a Plex pass subscription). There would have to be a native protocol to detect the WiiM devices from within the Plex apps and allow for bit-perfect, gapless playback (eq is already handled by the WiiM's DSP) - without the overhead of the full web interface.
 
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timmo said:
What’s interesting is that Sonos allows you to connect to Plex remote servers (my Plex users do that and it works). So I don’t know why this wouldn’t work for WiiM since it seems like a very similar integration as it stands today 🤔
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I am at my daughter's apartment listening to music on her WiiM amp HDMI-connected to Plex on her Apple TV which is running Tailscale to connect to our home LAN which has a Plex Server. The home LAN has a Tailscale exit node and subnet router.
 
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hoohoohoo said:
I am at my daughter's apartment listening to music on her WiiM amp HDMI-connected to Plex on her Apple TV which is running Tailscale to connect to our home LAN which has a Plex Server. The home LAN has a Tailscale exit node and subnet router.
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Seems like you're just running the official Plex app on the Apple TV, right? Your TV could be connected to any amplifier of your choice so this is not really relevant to the issues/limitations with WiiM's implementation.
 
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pieterv1 said:
Seems like you're just running the official Plex app on the Apple TV, right? Your TV could be connected to any amplifier of your choice so this is not really relevant to the issues/limitations with WiiM's implementation.
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Thanks for clarifying the above comment - I was all excited at first because I do use Tailscale (for access to Synology and other things), but have never setup Tailscale at any of my Plex users residence because I don’t know to safely do that without giving access to my home network (security thing). They can connect to Plex over the internet as I have it setup that way (so I don’t bother with Tailscale in this scenario for normal Plex access).
 
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pieterv1 said:
Seems like you're just running the official Plex app on the Apple TV, right? Your TV could be connected to any amplifier of your choice so this is not really relevant to the issues/limitations with WiiM's implementation.
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Solutions stand the test of time—positivity always prevails.
 
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timmo said:
Thanks for clarifying the above comment - I was all excited at first because I do use Tailscale (for access to Synology and other things), but have never setup Tailscale at any of my Plex users residence because I don’t know to safely do that without giving access to my home network (security thing). They can connect to Plex over the internet as I have it setup that way (so I don’t bother with Tailscale in this scenario for normal Plex access).
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What would be interesting is a Tailscale client as part of a WiiM device. Then a Plex in the cloud or your home server would be available from anywhere.

That would be a good feature request 🙂
 
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Tailscale is amazing … and can’t believe it’s free. And I’m using just a very small part of it because I’m not very good at networky-type things 🙃
 
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Timmo... you may be able to do something like this. So, you can sign up for multiple tailnets.

You install Tailscale on a local device (like a Raspberry Pi, NAS, or always-on PC) and configure it to advertise your local subnet. This fools the WiiM Amp into thinking the Plex server is on the LAN.

Code: 
+-------------------+      Tailscale       +---------------------+
| Plex Server       |<------------------->| Raspberry Pi (local)|
| (Remote via TS)   |                     | Subnet Router       |
+-------------------+                     +----------+----------+
                                                     |
                                                     | LAN
                                                     v
                                              +--------------+
                                              |  WiiM Amp    |
                                              | (192.168.x.x)|
                                              +--------------+

WiiM Amp sees Plex Server as local because Pi forwards the traffic
 
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hoohoohoo said:
sign up for multiple tailnets
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Interesting - I’ll have to think about this (not very good with this type of stuff … lol):
  • Tailscale is installed already on my Synology NAS (and where Plex server resides)
  • Need to configure Plex to support Tailscale (I never did this)
  • Need to figure out how to allow a Tailscale connection (securely) outside my home at other folks residences (I don’t know how to do this so as to not impact my home network security AND I don’t know where this would be installed either at their houses in order to have this type of connection present)
  • WiiM should then “see” my Plex server as if they are at my house in order to connect to it using Tailscale (I don’t know how to implement this on the WiiM at their house - related to above comment)
I don’t think I’m smart enough 🤕 but will think about it … food for thought 😙
 
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