WiiM Pro Plus

I have to admit that with the WiiM+, choosing AKM, they did a good job. At least it's a serious chip.
The yield remains to be seen considering the general architecture.
Still, it's a good step forward. ;)
No doubt it's a good chip, but I am curious what and if the a power supply will be provided this time? For my Wiim Pro, I had to use my own USB charger. I am under the impression that power supply may affect the sound quality if it's a lousy one, so will Pro+ get a better power supply?
 
I will definitely capture the output when using different power sources, to let everyone compare... A hint for something nice from the public domain?
 
No doubt it's a good chip, but I am curious what and if the a power supply will be provided this time? For my Wiim Pro, I had to use my own USB charger. I am under the impression that power supply may affect the sound quality if it's a lousy one, so will Pro+ get a better power supply?

The power supply makes a difference if you use the analog electronics - Internal DAC output, analog output stage. IF one uses Toslink out, the power supply does not matter, unless it really is very bad, which is not the case with WiiM.
 
For pure curiosity...which increase of the price are you willing to pay for that?
Are you asking for WiiM Pro+ or just better power supply? I think $20-30 should be reasonable?
And, if the power supply affects the sound (what I believe) and you are aware of it: why did you not buy a better one?
I had to move my WiiM Pro to a power conditioner, instead of butting a new power supply, which is not ideal if I have to move it somewhere else.
The price for the existing Pro is kind of a killer price and this would be not possible if they add a decent ps.
While I agree, but maybe WiiM can mass produce one and offer it as an upgrade option?
Although, I think that a lot of WiiM's clients already own some and love to play around with it.
Pro was my first Wiim so I was just caught of guard a bit
 
Can we expect aptxhd, LDAC and other superior codecs for Bluetooth from WiiM Pus ??
 
Well, WiiM PRO already have Bluetooth with SBC and AAC codec

What's wrong in expecting the PRO Plus in making it better with other superior codecs ?1?!?
 
Well, WiiM PRO already have Bluetooth with SBC and AAC codec

What's wrong in expecting the PRO Plus in making it better with other superior codecs ?1?!?
Would that not need a different chipset or would you expect it to be implemented in firmware?
 
No I am not kidding . Little feet could be incorporated in the body to raise the unit.
 
Of course...everything is possible. I would love WiiM offering a Pro with an airbrushed portrait of George Harrison. But my fear is others would prefer Charlie Watts. 😉
To return to seriousness WiiM would have mentioned that in their release announcement.
I'd want the Taylor Swift version, I'll ask for that in the feature request thread.
 
For this "codecs" WiiM will have to pay. Another brick making WiiM's effort to keep it cheap more difficult.
And additional to that, I was part of a workshop three months ago. A bunch of "experienced listeners" tested Bluetooth with A&K DAPs and Sony, B&W and JBL headphones. No one could proof a difference.
So, I will remain very sceptic regarding "superior". Qualcom f.e. struggles with aptX Lossless for long, still no signals. In theory all these numbers look good. But the main reason for that is making money.
I have 2 pairs of decent BT headphones.

The first are a pair of Bose QC35s which only have SBC. I was using these for convenience with a BT transmitter dongle hanging from headphone socket on an amp. Sound isn’t bad but the range of the BT transmitter was poor. If I walked into my kitchen about 6-7 metres and opened the fridge I’d lose signal. So I invested in a better BT transmitter. An Avantree Oasis something which has much better range. Problem solved.

The Avantree supports SBC and also AptXHD so in order to utilise the higher quality codec I bought a second pair of decent BT headphones. A pair of B&W P7i’s. Unfortunately I can’t use them with the Avantree and AptXHD unless I sit less than 2 metres away and don’t move. If I do move they switch annoyingly back and forth between SBC and AptXHD. Each switch is accompanied with a temporary loss of audio. Neither the Avantree or B&W P7i’s contains a means of “fixing” the codec as SBC. As a result I can only use the B&Ws with my iPhone which is SBC only.

BT is convenient but it’s not great. In my experience AprXHD is a waste of time. My serious listening portable headphone solution is pictured below. It’s a Raspberry Pi Zero powered by a Powerbank and coupled with an Audioquest Dragonfly Black that feeds a pair or wired B&W P7s (not P7i’s). SQ is vastly superior and only slightly less portable. The Pi is running piCorePlayer which contains a Squeezelite client connected to my LMS server. If the WiiM Mini had a USB out it could replace the Pi.

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I have 2 pairs of decent BT headphones.

The first are a pair of Bose QC35s which only have SBC. I was using these for convenience with a BT transmitter dongle hanging from headphone socket on an amp. Sound isn’t bad but the range of the BT transmitter was poor. If I walked into my kitchen about 6-7 metres and opened the fridge I’d lose signal. So I invested in a better BT transmitter. An Avantree Oasis something which has much better range. Problem solved.

The Avantree supports SBC and also AptXHD so in order to utilise the higher quality codec I bought a second pair of decent BT headphones. A pair of B&W P7i’s. Unfortunately I can’t use them with the Avantree and AptXHD unless I sit less than 2 metres away and don’t move. If I do move they switch annoyingly back and forth between SBC and AptXHD. Each switch is accompanied with a temporary loss of audio. Neither the Avantree or B&W P7i’s contains a means of “fixing” the codec as SBC. As a result I can only use the B&Ws with my iPhone which is SBC only.

BT is convenient but it’s not great. In my experience AprXHD is a waste of time. My serious listening portable headphone solution is pictured below. It’s a Raspberry Pi Zero powered by a Powerbank and coupled with an Audioquest Dragonfly Black that feeds a pair or wired B&W P7s (not P7i’s). SQ is vastly superior and only slightly less portable. The Pi is running piCorePlayer which contains a Squeezelite client connected to my LMS server. If the WiiM Mini had a USB out it could replace the Pi.

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Did you consider mobile DAC / BT receivers like Fiio BTRx or Qudelix 5K?
 
Did you consider mobile DAC / BT receivers like Fiio BTRx or Qudelix 5K?
The WiFi nature of the Pi Zero means vast signal coverage in comparison to BT and it runs Squeezelite which gives me access to my entire library, Qobuz etc. I never looked at the Qudelix but if it’s similar to Fiio my understanding is that you have to load it with music. Yes it’s more portable but at the cost of having to manage the files.

For portable music outside my house I use an iPhone 6s - the last with 3.5mm - an App called iPeng and a VPN to my office which provides full LMS or alternatively Qobuz app. If I know I’m travelling with no signal - plane etc - then I’ll use Foobar2000 on the 6s and a small local library.
 
I’ve just looked at the Fiio again and I may be confusing it with something else. It might be something I would use outside the house although I usually take a lesser pair of wired headphones when travelling or the Bose QC35s as the Noise Cancellation is very good.
 
The WiFi nature of the Pi Zero means vast signal coverage in comparison to BT and it runs Squeezelite which gives me access to my entire library, Qobuz etc. I never looked at the Qudelix but if it’s similar to Fiio my understanding is that you have to load it with music. Yes it’s more portable but at the cost of having to manage the files.

For portable music outside my house I use an iPhone 6s - the last with 3.5mm - an App called iPeng and a VPN to my office which provides full LMS or alternatively Qobuz app. If I know I’m travelling with no signal - plane etc - then I’ll use Foobar2000 on the 6s and a small local library.
These devices are not portable players, but as I can see you've realized it already.
 
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