In the screenshot Burnside is displaying the info from the Music & Artist Information plugin which also works if installed.
WiiM Pro, Raspberry Pi 4 8GB
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In fact this enhancement to the RNP plugin on LMS opens up the possibility to use a range of other LMS plugins with the audio input from a Wiim.
For example, an RPi running PCP taking input from a Wiim Mini means I can cast to Airplay ,Chromecast , or DLNA/UPnP endpoints on my network from the Mini.
I can also bring up a now playing screen for the Mini on any device on my network that supports a web browser.
Kudos to @d6jg for being instrumental in getting this change developed and helping with the testing.
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If I am interpreting this post correctly then does this mean RPi LMS users now have a means of being able to AirPlay cast - as well as Chromecast and DLNA cast - from WiiM devices (again)? I had previously assumed this functionality would probably require WiiM’s DLNA Cast feature to become available in order to make use of LMS’s ability to search for uPnP servers (Advanced->Remote Music Libraries) and then AirPlay cast from there, but if this achieves the same objective then it is a very significant development. Indeed, if LMS’s Chrome and DLNA casting can maintain hi-res then that would be an added bonus.
Can also enquire what control the LMS end has (if any) of the WiiM input? I ask since this may then allow some sort of control of Amazon Music within LMS.
Lastly, I have held back from updating to LMS 9.x (if it ain’t broke etc), so do I need to take the plunge before installing the RNP plugin with this functionality?
A lot mixed in here I think..
I don’t think “again” comes into it tbh - what this is doing is taking audio into piCorePlayer and then allowing LMS to distribute it as required. It just so happens the audio is coming from a physically connected WiiM device. If I recall, @d6jg has been using this method to play his turntable across his LMS speakers well before the RNP Wiim enhancement. The new WiiM related functionality in RNP piggy backs on that to interpret the WiiM device stream that just happens to be getting fed over that audio stream. To a degree, it could connect to the stream of a totally different WiiM device than the one outputting its audio into the LMS server.
As I understand it, it’s the UPNPBridge and related plugins that allow LMS to search for renderers to send audio to, not to search for UPNP servers.
I don’t think “again” comes into it tbh - what this is doing is taking audio into piCorePlayer and then allowing LMS to distribute it as required. It just so happens the audio is coming from a physically connected WiiM device. If I recall, @d6jg has been using this method to play his turntable across his LMS speakers well before the RNP Wiim enhancement. The new WiiM related functionality in RNP piggy backs on that to interpret the WiiM device stream that just happens to be getting fed over that audio stream. To a degree, it could connect to the stream of a totally different WiiM device than the one outputting its audio into the LMS server.
As I understand it, it’s the UPNPBridge and related plugins that allow LMS to search for renderers to send audio to, not to search for UPNP servers.
No control of WiiM devices as such, just stopping or starting the audio stream whether that be from a turntable or a WiiM device.
I believe so.
This was my understanding too until I happened to come across this historic thread on the Lyrion Community forum with advice from philippe_44 on how this can be achieved directly within LMS I.e not a plugin, in theory at least:
https://forums.slimdevices.com/foru...h-media-server/100094-stream-from-dlna-to-lms
Posts #6, 11 and 26 seem most relevant. The option in post #26 certainly still exists in LMS, although the end of the thread casts some doubt on how well it currently works.
If this ability to search for UPNP servers did work then I assumed that WiiM’s DLNA cast feature, when it arrives, would allow wireless transfer from WiiM to LMS and then for LMS to cast the same music through AirPlay etc. as required.
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Thanks for that link - I enabled it and now see all my upnp servers as remote libraries in LMS, and can use the Material skin to access their contents just as I would my LMS library (which has the same contents anyway). It’ll probably replace the WiiM Home app as my UPNP control point
However, I think it’s a big leap of faith to think this and DLNA cast will provide wireless integration in the manner you describe. The remote library feature in LMS allows LMS to act as a UPNP control point and send that audio to whichever players it sees over whichever protocol/bridge plugin it is using. However, I wouldn’t see WiiM’s DLNA cast feature being exposed as a UPNP server/ library to LMS in the same manner. I see DLNA cast doing what LMS is doing to some degree - accessing tracks from the sources WiiM supports and then playing that to UPNP renderers. In that scenario, I don’t see LMS appearing as a UPNP endpoint/player.
I think we’re still talking about a physical connection between a WiiM device and the LMS platform to get the integration you describe. As I mention above, the RNP feature is picking up the metadata from a specific WiiM stream, it’s not actually playing that stream thru LMS - that’s done by the physical input connection.
Thinking about this a bit more, you’d need a plugin for LMS for it to appear as a UPNP renderer/player so that it would appear as a target device to WiiM’s DLNA cast - sort of turning the upnpbridge on its head…
I have just managed to try out something which I thought might provide a proof of concept (or not) while we await WiiM’s DLNA Cast. I first set up LMS to enable it to look for UPnP servers (as described in the immediate previous posts above) and then added Shairtunes as an LMS plugin. When I opened Amazon Music on my iPhone, piCorePlayer became an AirPlay option to cast to. After connecting to it I was then able to use LMS to AirPlay cast synchronised music to multiple devices, in my case a WiiM Mini and a Sonos soundbar (see picture).
It means that currently I am listening to music through the following pathway:
Amazon Music on iPhone > Shairtunes LMS plugin (presumably AirPlay 1) > piCorePlayer (wirelessly) > LMS AirPlay > multiple AirPlay receiving devices (presumably using AirPlay 2).
My understanding is that Shairtunes effectively DLNA casts to suitable devices, so it seems just possible that if/when WiiM’s DLNA Cast feature becomes available then Raspberry Pi LMS users may be able to use this to also AirPlay cast to multiple devices in synchrony. Of course, this will depend on piCorePlayer being able to be ‘seen’.
The current DLNA Cast beta firmware does not 'see' PCP local players
I raised a ticket may moons ago with Wiim
You don’t need the UPnP/DLNA Media Interface plugin for this - just the Shairtunes plugin but it is Airplay 1 so will sync up to 16/48. I think if you install the Group Player plugin you can easily use Shairtunes to stream to a preconfigured LMS group.
NB The UPnP/DLNA Media Interface is supposed to enable LMS players as UPnP Renderers but IME it rarely works.
I am fairly sure what I am referring to is not the (A Grundman) Media Interface plugin, but rather a setting in LMS itself which it can see remote UPnP servers (allowing @Burnside to now access his NAS libraries). The setup mentioned by me seems to turn AirPlay 1 into an AirPlay 2 casting source via PiCorePlayer/LMS. I am not sure if that is of any advantage or not over what you are describing.
Is it possible that changing the LMS setting as described above (Advanced>Remote Music Libraries) will then allow it to be seen?
Hi, I couldn’t see my piCorePlayer as an AirPlay target even thought I had that Shairtunes plugin already installed - I had to enable shairport-sync in the piCorePlayer tweaks page. Maybe you don’t need the plugin unless you want to airplay out from LMS. I’ll have a play around with the shairport-sync configuration settings.
It’s a shame it is not an obviously reproducible finding. I do not have shairport-sync installed.
The Remote Library setting has very limited functionality. Yes you can see everything that is on the Remote Library Server when you browse but nothing gets indexed but you are correct it has zilch to do with Andy Grundman’s plugin.
But at least it gives you a nicer client via the Material skin than another UPNP client might. Here’s Minimserver controlled by it - maybe @simbun might convert
I can’t imagine for one second that @simbun would be in the slightest bit interested. Not sure why.But at least it gives you a nicer client via the Material skin than another UPNP client might. Here’s Minimserver controlled by it - maybe @simbun might convert
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I looked at that plugin a long time ago thinking that I might be able to use MinimServer as a source for LMS indexing (that would allow me to use tags not indexed by LMS) but it's only a control point.But at least it gives you a nicer client via the Material skin than another UPNP client might. Here’s Minimserver controlled by it - maybe @simbun might convert
I've just had another look and whilst it did discover my local server I couldn't get it to play, but that could be because I have both running in sandboxes.
I suppose if I absolutely had to have my WiiM and Ropieee (which can run squeezelite) endpoints synchronised without another server indexing my collection it's an option.
I don't dislike LMS I just don't need an integrated solution; if I did, or I cared about multiroom I would consider it, especially with the good work that darrell has done over the last year or so.I can’t imagine for one second that @simbun would be in the slightest bit interested. Not sure why.
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I think recent changes to LMS allow virtually any tag you like. I haven't used the feature but it was new in LMS 9.
