EQ per Output instead of per Input

[Antagron]

Has there been any discussion on applying EQ based on the output selection instead of the input? Use case: output to analog goes to headphones, where I want a bass shelf; output optical goes to AVR where I don’t want any EQ.

 

[Aquaman]

Oogh, that‘d be quite a mess combined with the input EQ selection.
In your case I would just use the shortcut to the EQ settings on the playback screen.

 

[hgo58]

Has there been any discussion on applying EQ based on the output selection instead of the input? Use case: output to analog goes to headphones, where I want a bass shelf; output optical goes to AVR where I don’t want any EQ.

You can use the Preset to change output and EQ settings together.

 

[Antagron]

Oogh, that‘d be quite a mess combined with the input EQ selection.
In your case I would just use the shortcut to the EQ settings on the playback screen.

Yeah I was thinking that you could decide which one trumps the other or just pick one or the other or set it by input or something . Seems like EQing the output would be more useful (at least to me) because my inputs are all digital and so the “signal” doesn’t vary as much as the output mechanism (headphones, speakers, etc. )

 

[dominikz]

Has there been any discussion on applying EQ based on the output selection instead of the input? Use case: output to analog goes to headphones, where I want a bass shelf; output optical goes to AVR where I don’t want any EQ.

It was discussed a few times before, e.g. here and here. It is unfortunately unclear whether this will ever materialize, and in what way.

 

[hgo58]

It was discussed a few times before, e.g. here and here. It is unfortunately unclear whether this will ever materialize, and in what way.

Hopefully it will be part of the proposed Sound Profile feature. This could allow profiles, including EQ, to be associated to inputs and outputs.

 

[rubberducky]

This is actually the biggest head scratcher to me. I am an commercial audio professional with advanced degrees in related topics, and I was super confused going into the app and finding only input EQ. Outputs are where the eq belongs first and foremost. That's where corrective eq for the system belongs. Then anything on the input would be to taste. In my somewhat niche use case, I drive my headphones off the same power amplifier as my mains, so I guess I'm just jumping around the inputs and changing eq all the time . . . weird (and annoying). So annoying that I made an account here and searched just for this topic.

 

[hgo58]

This is actually the biggest head scratcher to me. I am an commercial audio professional with advanced degrees in related topics, and I was super confused going into the app and finding only input EQ. Outputs are where the eq belongs first and foremost. That's where corrective eq for the system belongs. Then anything on the input would be to taste. In my somewhat niche use case, I drive my headphones off the same power amplifier as my mains, so I guess I'm just jumping around the inputs and changing eq all the time . . . weird (and annoying). So annoying that I made an account here and searched just for this topic.

This is what the Presets can be used for. You can change output and EQ with one Preset.

The EQ can of cause also be changed directly from the Now Playing page.

I agree that having EQ per input don't make much sense, except for the TV (HDMI) input set to "dialog".

The RoomFit only makes sense to be applied per output.

Hopefully the upcoming Sound Profile features will resolve most of this.

 

[Burnside]

I agree that having EQ per input don't make much sense, except for the TV (HDMI) input set to "dialog".

I believe that was the initial thinking - while your output might remain the same e.g. delivering audio to your speakers or thru your normal connection to your amp, you might want different EQ depending on whether you were listening to a network streaming service, your record deck or watching a movie from your connected TV.

As I said on the sound profile beta connection, I believe per-input EQ, presets that can set eq and output, and sound profiles all need to be rationalised - I could see sound profiles being the one and only way to do that, with per-input eq maybe dropping by the wayside.

 

[hgo58]

I believe that was the initial thinking - while your output might remain the same e.g. delivering audio to your speakers or thru your normal connection to your amp, you might want different EQ depending on whether you were listening to a network streaming service, your record deck or watching a movie from your connected TV.

As I said on the sound profile beta connection, I believe per-input EQ, presets that can set eq and output, and sound profiles all need to be rationalised - I could see sound profiles being the one and only way to do that, with per-input eq maybe dropping by the wayside.

Yes. That is what I have suggested to the @WiiM Team

A Sound Profile editor to create named profiles with EQ, volume, RoomFit, Loudness, sub out, screen settings, group linking, etc. All with the option to be disabled.

The Sound Profile can then be used in input settings, output settings, Preset settings and Alarms, replacing the current similar settings. It could also be used as a default setting after e.g. a reboot.

There is of course some design decisions to make regarding priority of settings and when they are activated, including how the settings on the Now Playing page should work.

This could also remove the confusing "per input" tabs on the EQ editing page.

 

[TimTim]

Would be nice to not have to manually switch off the headphone eq when switching back to speakers.

 

[erictheperic]

Would love to be able to set EQ per output. Right now I have 2 presets precisely because of this.

1 - Headphone - USB out with flat EQ (raised a ticket to add "EQ off" in presets)
2 - Speakers - COAX with custom EQ

But I notice that sometimes when listening through my headphones somewhere/somehow the EQ changes to the Speaker EQ (without changing output). Still haven't found out exactly what is causing the switch and when it happens (switching inputs? sleep/wake?).
I just notice after a while that the sound isn't right and then check the EQ to find that the wrong EQ is active.

Per output EQ would solve this entirely.

EDIT: found out what causes the "switch" in EQ. Selecting a preset only changes the EQ for the current input when input is "any" in the preset. So switching inputs will change EQ if the last EQ for that input was different than the current one selected by the preset.