Little bit sad about my new Sound Lite...Help?

adias said:
To the OP: Leave the Sound Lite turned on, playing music or some white noise for a few days. It seems to need ‘break-in’ more than others.

Assuming the speaker is some distance from side walls, measure the distance from the center of the speaker to the rear wall - call it L. Calculate the attenuated frequency f:

f = 340/(2L)

where L is in meters, and f in Hz.

(Unit conversion: 3.3ft is about 1m. 12 in about 0.3m.)

Using the WHA parametric EQ, apply a PK boost at the frequency f, start with a gain of +2dB and a Q of .4 to .8. Adjust that in small increments listening. It should produce a pleasantly balanced sound.

Try it and see if you like it better.
Click to expand...
That...Sir...is insane. Feels like the real gangsta audio stuff :cool:
My speaker is getting better and better day by day.
The frequency calculation and the adjustments...Wow, it is doing something very good to my sound.
Best thing for me was the decision to ask for help here.
The most valuable effect for me is that I learn this kind of stuff bit by bit.
I'm really happy now with the sound in my small kitchen, may not be perfect, but I will improve my skills with the PEQ for sure.
Thanks a lot, it was a great pleasure to receive help from you.
Cheers, Chris
 
Wiimer said:
Thanks for the screenshot. From this result, we can see that the microphone measurement shows no excessive bass, meaning RoomFit is not correcting the bass.

Based on your listening experience, you might try the following to identify the frequency causing the boomy sound.

Edit your saved RoomFit profile and change bands 8, 9, and 10 as follows:
View attachment 32314
After making changes, turn off Bands 9 and 10, then press the Save button to save.

Next, listen to some music and check if the boomy sound has been eliminated. Then, turn off Band 8 and turn on Band 9. Listen to the music again to check. Next, turn off Band 9 and turn on Band 10, then check the sound.

This should likely pinpoint the cause of the boomy sound.

The above bands 8, 9, and 10 are (rough) filters designed to reduce the three peaks in the correction results you submitted.
View attachment 32315

Edit: If you try this, remember to save every time you edit the profile.
Click to expand...
I would like to repeat myself...
Best thing for me was the decision to ask for help here.
The most valuable effect for me is that I learn this kind of stuff bit by bit.

With your kind help I was able to learn so much in a short time about the PEQ (y)
The last hour was making me smile more and more. I am no longer afraid about the PEQ and I have already achieved very good results regarding the boomy sound.
I followed your instructions exactly, tried a few things out, and I can't even say in detail which adjustment caused this significant improvement.
The most important thing for me is that I now know how to help myself and have a small idea of how I can use the PEQ to my advantage.
I've only just started experimenting with it, but I know that a lot of good will come of it. In addition to the numbers, I now also use the manual method to modify the curve and listen simultaneously. Great fun.
Thank you so much for your kind efforts to help me. It's a great success for me.
Cheers, Chris
 
Hmm... before trying equalization.... did you try to just move the speaker about the kitchen? Corner location is one of the worst, specially if the speaker is equidistant from both side walls.

I ran my Sound in two rooms,

First room. Installed near a corner, about 24 inches from one wall and 18 from the other... on a stack of books on a desk, about 12 inches off the desk, and 6 inches from the lip. In this set up, I sit on a chair about four five feet away from it.. The room is 12 x 13 x (10-14 cathedral) feet. My chair is off center, on one side of the room at my desk, facing the wall.

In this set up, all I had to do was turn down the 32Hz band... the speaker cleaned up a lot. Then I did run that auto room correction, but at this point there wasn't much change as the speaker already was dialed in.

Second room 10 x 11 x (10x12 cathedral ). Speaker on a credenza, about three feet off the floor, 18 inches from the back wall, off the mid center along a side wall. I was sitting six feet away from it. The speaker already sounded nice. I did run the auto correction and it did something, but it wasn't drastic.

IMHO, the first thing you want to do is place the speaker -ANY monopole direct radiator- so it's not placed symmetrically in the room. Even a foot off the center will spread out the sound resonances!

Only then, do you apply equalization.

BTW, I am curious about using two of them... with dual tweeters I imagine the accuracy of the soundstage will suffer, but the sound should take on more "ambience".. with a diffuse soundstage of sorts.
 
TonyE said:
with dual tweeters I imagine the accuracy of the soundstage will suffer, but the sound should take on more "ambience".. with a diffuse soundstage of sorts.
Click to expand...
Yes, and yes. I posted my thoughts on this (two Sounds as a stereo pair) a week or two back.
 
TonyE said:
Hmm... before trying equalization.... did you try to just move the speaker about the kitchen? Corner location is one of the worst, specially if the speaker is equidistant from both side walls.

I ran my Sound in two rooms,

First room. Installed near a corner, about 24 inches from one wall and 18 from the other... on a stack of books on a desk, about 12 inches off the desk, and 6 inches from the lip. In this set up, I sit on a chair about four five feet away from it.. The room is 12 x 13 x (10-14 cathedral) feet. My chair is off center, on one side of the room at my desk, facing the wall.

In this set up, all I had to do was turn down the 32Hz band... the speaker cleaned up a lot. Then I did run that auto room correction, but at this point there wasn't much change as the speaker already was dialed in.

Second room 10 x 11 x (10x12 cathedral ). Speaker on a credenza, about three feet off the floor, 18 inches from the back wall, off the mid center along a side wall. I was sitting six feet away from it. The speaker already sounded nice. I did run the auto correction and it did something, but it wasn't drastic.

IMHO, the first thing you want to do is place the speaker -ANY monopole direct radiator- so it's not placed symmetrically in the room. Even a foot off the center will spread out the sound resonances!

Only then, do you apply equalization.

BTW, I am curious about using two of them... with dual tweeters I imagine the accuracy of the soundstage will suffer, but the sound should take on more "ambience".. with a diffuse soundstage of sorts.
Click to expand...

Thanks a lot for the advice concerning placement.
Even though my options are very limited in the kitchen, I managed to find a solution, wich leaves me absolutely happy.
Just about 30 cm more to the right side did bring a significant improvement in sound.
The rest is done individually with EQ, because of different music styles from older motown soul to deep house... a little bass and overall modification is absolutely necessary anyway.
But now that I've learned it, it's a matter of seconds to modify and also to switch between my different presets. I am really happy.
Cheers, Chris
 
Chris1974 said:
I would like to repeat myself...
Best thing for me was the decision to ask for help here.
The most valuable effect for me is that I learn this kind of stuff bit by bit.

With your kind help I was able to learn so much in a short time about the PEQ (y)
The last hour was making me smile more and more. I am no longer afraid about the PEQ and I have already achieved very good results regarding the boomy sound.
I followed your instructions exactly, tried a few things out, and I can't even say in detail which adjustment caused this significant improvement.
The most important thing for me is that I now know how to help myself and have a small idea of how I can use the PEQ to my advantage.
I've only just started experimenting with it, but I know that a lot of good will come of it. In addition to the numbers, I now also use the manual method to modify the curve and listen simultaneously. Great fun.
Thank you so much for your kind efforts to help me. It's a great success for me.
Cheers, Chris
Click to expand...
LinkPlay should set up a new department called RoomFit 101 and sell classes/training sessions on how to apply RoomFit optimally. First hour should be $99.95 and include a calibrated mic, then additional training should be $19.99/hr. :ROFLMAO:

Are you paying attention, @WiiM Team ?

-Ed
 
My vote is to have RoomFit and its likes as optional plugins if not extra boxes.
Plus a separate forum / sub-forum for it and leave normal people in peace with this nerd stuff.
As much as I like to talk about HiFi and the associated equipment, all this room correction chatter really turns me off, not just here but also on other forums.
Just seeing the vast flood of talk about it suggests that room correction is a vital selling point. I fact it isn‘t. Most people couldn‘t care less. In reality it is only fired by a bunch of people crowding the internet forums.
 
Aquaman said:
My vote is to have RoomFit and its likes as optional plugins if not extra boxes.
Plus a separate forum / sub-forum for it and leave normal people in peace with this nerd stuff.
As much as I like to talk about HiFi and the associated equipment, all this room correction chatter really turns me off, not just here but also on other forums.
Just seeing the vast flood of talk about it suggests that room correction is a vital selling point. I fact it isn‘t. Most people couldn‘t care less. In reality it is only fired by a bunch of people crowding the internet forums.
Click to expand...
I'm the complete opposite of you, I have no interest in Hi-Fi topic.😂
 
Aquaman said:
My vote is to have RoomFit and its likes as optional plugins if not extra boxes.
Plus a separate forum / sub-forum for it and leave normal people in peace with this nerd stuff.
As much as I like to talk about HiFi and the associated equipment, all this room correction chatter really turns me off, not just here but also on other forums.
Just seeing the vast flood of talk about it suggests that room correction is a vital selling point. I fact it isn‘t. Most people couldn‘t care less. In reality it is only fired by a bunch of people crowding the internet forums.
Click to expand...
My feelings exactly, but as moderator, I look at every post on the forum, but skim through such topics that are not of interest to me. :unsure:
 
slartibartfast said:
Those same people probably do care about cables and tuning dots. It's a mad world 😂
Click to expand...
To be honest I don‘t think this topic isn‘t far from it. Though the analogy is not really fair and only applies to the DIY aspect of room correction.
A shitty room is a shitty room, poor speakers are what they are and inadequate amps are another topic.
DSP applied by pros is great. All our car stereos are full of it. But DIY room correction is far from doing anything sustainably useful these days.
But people cannot accept that what they have is as good as it gets. So they buy extra cables, cable raisers etc. or try their luck with room correction.
Other than the old fashioned tweaks, which don’t do anything, room correction has given me nothing but poor results and headaches. I‘m through with both.
 
Aquaman said:
To be honest I don‘t think this topic isn‘t far from it. Though the analogy is not really fair and only applies to the DIY aspect of room correction.
A shitty room is a shitty room, poor speakers are what they are and inadequate amps are another topic.
DSP applied by pros is great. All our car stereos are full of it. But DIY room correction is far from doing anything sustainably useful these days.
But people cannot accept that what they have is as good as it gets. So they buy extra cables, cable raisers etc. or try their luck with room correction.
Other than the old fashioned tweaks, which don’t do anything, room correction has given me nothing but poor results and headaches. I‘m through with both.
Click to expand...
If you don't get good results from room correction then either something is wrong with the microphone used, the settings chosen, or you are so used to listening to room modes that they sound correct to you.
 
Aquaman said:
To be honest I don‘t think this topic isn‘t far from it. Though the analogy is not really fair and only applies to the DIY aspect of room correction.
A shitty room is a shitty room, poor speakers are what they are and inadequate amps are another topic.
DSP applied by pros is great. All our car stereos are full of it. But DIY room correction is far from doing anything sustainably useful these days.
But people cannot accept that what they have is as good as it gets. So they buy extra cables, cable raisers etc. or try their luck with room correction.
Other than the old fashioned tweaks, which don’t do anything, room correction has given me nothing but poor results and headaches. I‘m through with both.
Click to expand...
I ran RoomFit a couple of times and found it very good. Easy to use and my issues with the bass was fixed. I may have been able to fix it in some other way but the RoomFit did it the easy way.

I do agree that there are a lot of forum activity around this but so is there with DACs, NAS, Roon, playlists, etc. Each person execute the audio hobby in deferent ways.
 
Aquaman said:
To be honest I don‘t think this topic isn‘t far from it. Though the analogy is not really fair and only applies to the DIY aspect of room correction.
A shitty room is a shitty room, poor speakers are what they are and inadequate amps are another topic.
DSP applied by pros is great. All our car stereos are full of it. But DIY room correction is far from doing anything sustainably useful these days.
But people cannot accept that what they have is as good as it gets. So they buy extra cables, cable raisers etc. or try their luck with room correction.
Other than the old fashioned tweaks, which don’t do anything, room correction has given me nothing but poor results and headaches. I‘m through with both.
Click to expand...
If your room and placement are good enough, then yes, you won't find an overall improvement from attempting room correction, especially something like RoomFit which only does frequency response compensation (no correction for time/impulse/phase).

Room Correction is particularly important for people who have real life obligations that don't allow treated/perfect/dedicated listening rooms and/or acoustically optimal placement.

We all have unique systems, having unique requirements.

Ironically, I very recently managed to get my system so well-tuned up via crossover adjustment and speaker/sub placement that I've fully abandoned all EQ and room correction, after relying on it for a long, long time. That being said, I fully understand, after all this tweaking, why many (even most) people would benefit from some degree of room correction.

-Ed
 
slartibartfast said:
If you don't get good results from room correction then either something is wrong with the microphone used, the settings chosen, or you are so used to listening to room modes that they sound correct to you.
Click to expand...
I previously had a Lyngdorf which comes with a calibrated microphone to run their RoomPerfect. I have tried this in my old home and my current house. The results were catastrophic in both cases and basically the same as those rendered by my current Ultra.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

T
WIIM Sound Lite configuration issue
Replies
8
Views
385
Wiimer
Wiimer
adias
WiiM Sound Lite - a user experience
Replies
13
Views
1K
TonyE
TonyE
Q
WiiM Sound Lite & wired Sub problem
Replies
5
Views
188
Wiimer
Wiimer
teebee
Killing power on WiiM Sound Lite
Replies
15
Views
352
teebee
teebee
Giro413
Wiim Sound Lite to replace Dali Oberon 5's
2 3 4
Replies
67
Views
3K
lukcinrk
L
Back
Top