Boredom, empathy, sense of mission?..Just be prepared that I might continue to point out how pointless this is.
Powering WiiM Pro Plus with a power bank
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At least I tried to directly address the part of your posting that I reply to. You don't seem to care as long as you can repeat what you said before.
That's not a sensible way to discuss topics.
If you are more interested in quoting the chosen ones, keeping their secret knowledge, you're free to do so, of course. Just be prepared that I might continue to point out how pointless this is.
It's more than sensible to point out the giants in the audio industry who know a thing or two and deliver the goods to consumers then and now.
This isn't an appeal to some Masonic temple. It's pointing out that there's people who have great experience and have done great things for audio for consumers. Schiit Audio is a great company building great products that many can enjoy at reasonable prices.
This is not only sensible but proven to be most sensible. Have a great day.
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Come on now. Believing that somehow there is a magic way of "cleaning up" data transmission originating from a (very) remote location using boatloads of industry standard routers, switches, network cards, optical and copper cabling.... I'm sorry but this is another example of: "People who lack the knowledge will make up their own explanations."
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I'm confused. Who's trolling who? 
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I know that this a "battle" that will never result in a consensus but I keep trying to understand why it is so hard to "them" to take advice from the people who know the subject, the people who design and/or repair the stuff we all are listening to.
I would never dare to argue with a good lawyer or surgeon for instance because I'm well aware that I lack the knowledge.
I would never dare to argue with a good lawyer or surgeon for instance because I'm well aware that I lack the knowledge.
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You probably know the German term ‚beratungsresistent‘. You can do or say what you want, it won‘t make a difference to them.
Sorry, Hans, I actually learned about this from a guy in Europe. First, I tried it with the Cisco 2960 and definitely heard improvement. Then I got ahold of two Cisco Meraki, removed the power supplies, a five minute job and even better.
Don't want to hijack the thread but made mention. With my full range system, it's not even a topic for different opinion. I'm not taking them out and don't dare to claim I have the answers why. I have not tried any of the audio switches nor do I intend to but Alpha Audio in the Netherlands did a detailed investigation using measuring equipment and shared their findings on a slew of them.
Yes, I know the subject from experience. Certainly don't consider my experience on par in any way with people who design and know audio so well like Mike Moffat who are legends over decades in audio.
Why do you think so many are so deeply invested in not giving any regard to someone with such direct expertise like Mike Moffat?
There's others who use similar approaches with the WiiM Pro/+ using external battery type power with improved results like "Passion for Sound" on YouTube. There's no need for any "consensus" among skeptics and debunkers. There's no high bar to entry for used Cisco routers and/or external power into the WiiM.
Rather than arguing in a state of denial, it's better for those with very good or better systems to try and find out for themselves. That's the entire point here in sharing the WiiM experience.
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My wife ran in from the garden to find out what I'd changed to make it sound so much more musical.Almost as if a veil had been lifted
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Nope. All your theoretical speculative opinion on my system is meaningless to me. Already know the outcome from the Cisco Merakis' and the battery power to the WiiM Pro. None of you do. My sharing the information is to help others who consider such minimal investment in time and cost.
Your opinion without hearing either the before or after proves the point. Some are invested in believing what they aren't even hearing.
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Yes it surely helps other people who also don't have the technical knowledge to enter "the cult". We (the people who understand) don't like charlatans like Chord (cables and mediocre but pricey dacs), AudioQuest, especially Synergistic Research and many others who sell lies and sometimes half truths, they are only in it to make money and mislead people in the process. A lot of these tweaks selling guys are raking in large sums of money and that is not only not fair, in my opinion it should be illegal to do so.Nope. All your theoretical speculative opinion on my system is meaningless to me. Already know the outcome from the Cisco Merakis' and the battery power to the WiiM Pro. None of you do. My sharing the information is to help others who consider such minimal investment in time and cost.
Your opinion without hearing either the before or after proves the point. Some are invested in believing what they aren't even hearing.
We are not debunkers, we have made efforts to understand the topics we are talking about.
As some ignored the earlier reference to Alpha Audio's testing (with data published); I have no interest in arguing about any industry products as I've advocated for none. What I referenced was personal testing of used and inexpensive products to the power input of the WiiM Pro/+.
I'm keeping the used Cisco Meraki routers (using Blue Jean ethernet cable throughout) and looking to further modify one because it's shown significant positive impact with the battery-powered input to the WiiM Pro. If others try similarly, great, but speculation by you among others is fine, even if you've not tested nor heard similar.
Your beef is more with the Alpha Audio boys in the Netherlands.
You can take up the fight with them. Tell them how your opinion "tested" against their equipment.
You're entitled to your own opinion as much as everybody else. And just as much as you think you're "helping" others to overcome restricted patterns of thinking (and trust their listening), there are people who think they are helping others to not be fooled by charlatans. You have no more right to help others than they have.
You're approach of naming the most competent people in the work is flawed, because there's no objective proof they are the most competent. For every "famous designer" with "great experience" there is at least one "more famous designer" with "even greater experience" telling the exact opposite.
Bottom line: There's no way to bring this discussion to an end as long as commonly accepted objective proof is missing. Everyone is entitled to not agree with anybody else.
You're approach of naming the most competent people in the work is flawed, because there's no objective proof they are the most competent. For every "famous designer" with "great experience" there is at least one "more famous designer" with "even greater experience" telling the exact opposite.
Bottom line: There's no way to bring this discussion to an end as long as commonly accepted objective proof is missing. Everyone is entitled to not agree with anybody else.
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NonsenseAs some ignored the earlier reference to Alpha Audio's testing (with data published); I have no interest in arguing about any industry products as I've advocated for none. What I referenced was personal testing of used and inexpensive products to the power input of the WiiM Pro/+.
I'm keeping the used Cisco Meraki routers (using Blue Jean ethernet cable throughout) and looking to further modify one because it's shown significant positive impact with the battery-powered input to the WiiM Pro. If others try similarly, great, but speculation by you among others is fine, even if you've not tested nor heard similar.
Your beef is more with the Alpha Audio boys in the Netherlands.
You can take up the fight with them. Tell them how your opinion "tested" against their equipment.
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Well I personally ignored the Alpha Audio nonsense because I already know (and understand) what they are doing. The measurements that this guy does in the video you linked is completely irrelevant and flawed, I can explain why at length but you will not be able to understand it anyway. What others and I say is not an opinion or speculation in the literal sense of the words, it's deeply based on science to begin with.As some ignored the earlier reference to Alpha Audio's testing (with data published); I have no interest in arguing about any industry products as I've advocated for none. What I referenced was personal testing of used and inexpensive products to the power input of the WiiM Pro/+.
I'm keeping the used Cisco Meraki routers (using Blue Jean ethernet cable throughout) and looking to further modify one because it's shown significant positive impact with the battery-powered input to the WiiM Pro. If others try similarly, great, but speculation by you among others is fine, even if you've not tested nor heard similar.
Your beef is more with the Alpha Audio boys in the Netherlands.
You can take up the fight with them. Tell them how your opinion "tested" against their equipment.
Nobody here asked you to ditch your Cisco stuff by the way, if you are happy with it it's fine.
Just trying to educate but I see it is indeed a lost battle and although it saddens me I can live with it for sure.
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Powerful position.
Some of you folks think your opinion is "education." While fascinating, it does reveal the human condition as it is.
The measurements are not as you offer "completely irrelevant" just as the Alpha Audio blind switch test results in the link are also not irrelevant.
That people have found improvement in their audio setups using rather inexpensive options with batteries and switches isn't going to end because it upsets some. You're certainly not going to convince people with quality systems they are not hearing significant improvements. You're conclusions are not based on science. They are based on your personal expectations. Mine were low but that's proven incorrect, so, I'm pleased with the benefit.
Alpha Audio's analysis on the Cisco Meraki is useful and as I've experienced in my setup.
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