Screen Options

[SansuiSushi]

Came up with some ideas I would like to see as options for that screen

 

[canard]

Why don't you fight for persistent overload indicators, or even a numerical true peak indicator that would really have an important use?
(all the more so when we can manipulating DSPs like here)

 

[canard]

"
when "decorum" makes you miss out on important things in audio fonctions..
"


(moreover overload information ( if possible true peak) which also by wiim home can serve all models of wiim)

 

[hgo58]

@WiiM Team You may also consider to remove the background image of the home screen. That would make it look more professional.

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We still have this toy background on the Ultra home screen.

I think it is time to get the look and feel updated, across all pages, to be consistent and clean.

A professional looking screen layout would enhance the feeling of a high-end device.

 

[pieterv1]

Yesssss maybe it's time to get the GUI on point, now that the constant flow of new features is starting to dwindle a bit (let's not forget about Plex though )

 

[canard]

Yesssss maybe it's time to get the GUI on point, now that the constant flow of new features is starting to dwindle a bit (let's not forget about Plex though )

Dlna etc etc

Fonctions for all produits wiim...not just screen of ultra

 

[hgo58]

Dlna etc etc

Fonctions for all produits wiim...not just screen of ultra

This thread is about the screen of the Ultras but enhancements are of course not exclusive.

 

[Saponetto]

I forgot...
Remind me... what is the use of an FFT in this case?

Sorry for the delay... It's simply less depressing to see of an out-of-control, off-scale thumping needle.
That's why i do not use the current VU visualization.

 

[canard]

Sorry for the delay... It's simply less depressing to see of an out-of-control, off-scale thumping needle.
That's why i do not use the current VU visualization.

If I'm not mistaken, the Ultra was released in June/July 2024...and since then, a FFT has been requested, constantly...a great classic (even if hardly used)

and VU meters (relevant)...

 

[Saponetto]

A great classic, indeed...

 

[canard]

A great classic, indeed...

with the VU meters among the most anticipated things in "dansing decoration"... clearly "seller", but if wiim does not have the resources to realize them or to realize them in a relevant way, which clearly seems to be the case over the months, we might as well move on to more useful things....

 

[harkpabst]

WiiM didn't stop updating the "VU meters" again and again, so the topic is obviously still hot.

Personally I don't care much about these meters. But I musts confess that I find any attempt to create a "true" VU meter (which by very definition is an analogue device) completely pointless as long as the signal it's based on is in the digital domain. A digital peak meter had some usefulness but might be less pleasing to watch.

 

[hgo58]

A digital peak meter had some usefulness but might be less pleasing to watch.

That is why some of us have tried to get WiiM to understand how you could actually create a analog VU meter design that could be useful in the digital domain.

First thing is to use the dBFS scale and not the analog dBvu scale.

Next is to calibrate the needle for the dBFS scale so the display is not some random numbers. There may be some issues here as WiiM uses 32 internally, while the meter should show 24 bits level?

Finally there should be a peak indicator when 24 bit sample is at max (all 1's if unsigned Integer).

A real digital peek meter would be great and useful but I would not use it for normal display. It would be too disturbing.

 

[canard]

WiiM didn't stop updating the "VU meters" again and again, so the topic is obviously still hot.

Personally I don't care much about these meters. But I musts confess that I find any attempt to create a "true" VU meter (which by very definition is an analogue device) completely pointless as long as the signal it's based on is in the digital domain. A digital peak meter had some usefulness but might be less pleasing to watch.

a true peak overload downstream of all digital processing would be useful...with referrals to Wiim Home for ALL Wiim products...
that would be useful...

 

[WiiM Support]

Hi Team,

Sorry for the delayed reply. Let me clarify how the current VU Meter works: it reflects the signal level after EQ processing (including pre-gain) but before the limiter.

We chose this design because many users prefer to monitor potential clipping in their system. Since the reading is taken before the limiter, the level can occasionally exceed 0 dB.

I hope this helps clarify. If you'd prefer to view the level after the limiter, we can consider adding an option to switch between the two display modes.

 

[hgo58]

Hi Team,

Sorry for the delayed reply. Let me clarify how the current VU Meter works: it reflects the signal level after EQ processing (including pre-gain) but before the limiter.

We chose this design because many users prefer to monitor potential clipping in their system. Since the reading is taken before the limiter, the level can occasionally exceed 0 dB.

I hope this helps clarify. If you'd prefer to view the level after the limiter, we can consider adding an option to switch between the two display modes.

What is dB in this case? dBFS or dBvu?
Is it using 24 bit or 32 bit values?

I assume the description above is for the output. What about the original signal?

 

[canard]

Hi Team,

Sorry for the delayed reply. Let me clarify how the current VU Meter works: it reflects the signal level after EQ processing (including pre-gain) but before the limiter.

We chose this design because many users prefer to monitor potential clipping in their system. Since the reading is taken before the limiter, the level can occasionally exceed 0 dB.

That's logical indeed... (it would have been good to clarify this earlier)

But will it be possible to offer overload feedback on all machines based on this... like on Wiim Home... or even True Peak...
who all need to estimate saturations and not screens

And simply the on/off of limiter?
( important..explain its role and specify the position of limiter if it is engaged! )

 

[WiiM Support]

What is dB in this case? dBFS or dBvu?
Is it using 24 bit or 32 bit values?

I assume the description above is for the output. What about the original signal?

Hi hgo58,

It's for the output and in dBFS (the digital audio signal is used for calculation). If the original signal is chosen, it never exceeds 0dB.

 

[dominikz]

We chose this design because many users prefer to monitor potential clipping in their system. Since the reading is taken before the limiter, the level can occasionally exceed 0 dB.

Thanks! Does the VU meter show peak level, or some kind of average level (and if so how is the average calculated)?

 

[hgo58]

Hi hgo58,

It's for the output and in dBFS (the digital audio signal is used for calculation). If the original signal is chosen, it never exceeds 0dB.

Good.

The VU meter scale on the Ultras and the meter text should reflect that.

The dBFS do per definition never go above 0, so that needs to be explained. It could be ok if it do on the VU meter but the reason needs to be documented.

dBFS = 20*log10(level value/max level value)

 

[kupo]

Hi Team,

Thank you all for your great suggestions. We plan to release more clock faces in Oct. Please feel free to send us your ideas so we may incorporate them into our future releases. Thank you!

Please release a visualizer for those of us using tablets as a display/controller.

Thanks!